2021 Covid Protocols in the NFL

[bobblehead]

The way you deal with that is ignoring it. I guarantee it's all for show and will not be followed.

Aside from that, you gave to be a blithering idiot to not realize this is tyranical medical apartheid in function.
They are using the nfl to show you what they plan to do to you trained dogs.

That is a way too political take. Stop it. You were fine until the last paragraph.

[bobblehead]

The news coming out this week about how contagious the Delta variant is makes the NFL rules impractical, IMO. Vaccinated ppl are catching and transmitting the virus at nearly the same rate as the unvaccinated. It seems near possible to keep an entire team virus free. The "bubble" will have to be even more secure than last year. Not sure how this is going to work.

That was news 2 weeks ago in the UK and Israel, but our media has to....nevermind. It was known 2 weeks ago, which was the reason I was challenging your assertion that the vaccinated were asymptomatic and couldn't spread it. Incidentally I wish the world would catch up to the data that those who had the actual original strain have been largely immune to alll variants to date. Guys like Cam Newton should be treated as vaccinated (I have no idea if he is or not, but you get the point).

[Harlan Huckleby]

Incidentally I wish the world would catch up to the data that those who had the actual original strain have been largely immune to alll variants to date.

That is not a consensus at all. In fact studies show that ppl with mild symptoms have low antibody levels.
Plus there was the dramatic demonstration in Brazil where a region had extremely high infection rates, some said "herd immunity" achieved. A new variant swept through and caused a nightmare of suffering.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/02/brazil-variant-evaded-immunity-previous-covid-cases

[Harlan Huckleby]

That was news 2 weeks ago in the UK and Israel, but our media has to....nevermind.

BTW, the Israel study had a tiny sample size and reported all sorts of contrarian indicators. It was widely dismissed, although perhaps it was correct about the transmission among the vaccinated.

The anti-vax movement, the global warming "hoax" crowd, the "you can't prove smoking causes cancer" contrarians in the 60s all find outlier scientific results and amplify them.

[bobblehead]

BTW, the Israel study had a tiny sample size and reported all sorts of contrarian indicators. It was widely dismissed, although perhaps it was correct about the transmission among the vaccinated.

The anti-vax movement, the global warming "hoax" crowd, the "you can't prove smoking causes cancer" contrarians in the 60s all find outlier scientific results and amplify them.

Again, you are making this political. Any scientist worth a damn agrees that natural immunity is stronger than fake vaccination immunity. Fauci admitted as much on the floor of the U.S. senate. Every data point and study known to man shows that natural immunity is superior to vaccination. But don't let any of that get in the way of your agenda to politicize all of this...which is why this thread can't be anything other than political.

How about the cleveland clinic? Are they an ok institution? They did a study of 50k people. 4 groups. Vacc/never had, Vacc/had, noV/never had, noV/had. The two "previously had" groups accounted for ZERO new cases. Is that solid enough?

"We recently shared research that provides insight into how the immune system protects the body after a confirmed COVID-19 infection. The study followed Cleveland Clinic caregivers over five months as the vaccination process was beginning. The data showed that the vaccine was extremely effective in preventing COVID-19 infection. In addition, we found that none of the previously infected employees who remained unvaccinated were re-infected over the duration of the study."

[Harlan Huckleby]

Every data point and study known to man shows that natural immunity is superior to vaccination.

you have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/why-covid-19-vaccines-offer-better-protection-than-infection.html

[Harlan Huckleby]

The data showed that the vaccine was extremely effective in preventing COVID-19 infection. In addition, we found that none of the previously infected employees who remained unvaccinated were re-infected over the duration of the study."

This is not a statement that natural immunity is superior to vaccines or that it endures long term. That only involved the early phase of the covid assault.
We saw the limit of natural immunity in a huge sample size in Brazil. That happened over nearly a year. Natural immunity completely failed to block a variant.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Vaccines are developed in cases where natural immunity is ineffective. Not ineffective in 100% of cases - only a small minority caught polio before the vaccine.
Oh ya, the side effects of the new vaccines are not statistically worse than all our other vaccines, including the ones that all school children take.

I won't participate in this thread anymore because it is outlet for anti-vacc junk science.

[RashanGary]

Vaccines are developed in cases where natural immunity is ineffective. Not ineffective in 100% of cases - only a small minority caught polio before the vaccine.
Oh ya, the side effects of the new vaccines are not statistically worse than all our other vaccines, including the ones that all school children take.

I won't participate in this thread anymore because it is outlet for anti-vacc junk science.

Yeah, the trusty upside down food pyramid is great consensus science. And the 1-3% predicted death rate of covid from those brilliant scientists really stood the test of time. Once the govt scientists come out with some garbage they call science, we’re all supposed to just go right along over the cliff without passing it by the bullshit meter first.

The over use of ventilators in covid treatment was another brilliant medical science victory too, hh. Go get your ventilator, I’m sure it will work out great for you.

But don’t question the vaXX

[RashanGary]

Reasons to not blindly follow the science:

1. Scientists were paraded around the news circuit with death models of 1-3% death rates from Covid. They were using early case numbers to extrapolate that brilliant death prediction. The early cases were done with limited testing when only the hospitalized were being tested so of course the hospitalized weren’t going to be a good indicator of how it would affect healthy people. The old bullshit test was enough to ignore the scientists on that one and time proved us correct.

2. Incentivizing the use of ventilators as a covid treatment. I have videos of nurses crying and quitting their jobs because they knew the ventilators would kill their patients and they were unnecessary. How many unneeded deaths occurred in the name of trusting the science there?

3. Over 11,000 reported deaths in VAERS due to the vax. And studies have shown VAERS is a vastly underused. Some estimates show as little as 1% reporting rate due to all of the barriers involved in submitting the report.


Oh, there are plenty of reasons not to blindly follow the whims of any science, including vaccine science. These players an anyone else should have the right to wait until more data is in on these vaccines. Or just not participate if they choose not to take that chance.

[MadtownPacker]

You are all some sorry mfers so tell you what. I’m gonna leave this thread here even though it is fucked and anyone that post anything in it gets zapped. Anyone makes another COVID thread can be more than that.

Bobble - You get to be right that posters can’t keep this nonpolitical but don’t pretend you aren’t contributing to it. So “Keep telling yourself” that.

[scharpcheddar]

Vaccines are developed in cases where natural immunity is ineffective. Not ineffective in 100% of cases - only a small minority caught polio before the vaccine.
Oh ya, the side effects of the new vaccines are not statistically worse than all our other vaccines, including the ones that all school children take.

I won't participate in this thread anymore because it is outlet for anti-vacc junk science.

You do realize MRNA isn't a vac to begin with, don't you?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

You do realize MRNA isn't a vac to begin with, don't you?

So? Mrna is just a method to create vaccines. Mrna was looked at for previous vaccines but covid was the 1st widespread use of the technique.

The other thing people on sports sites should not do is believe they know more about a virus or vaccine than the scientists. Don't take the vaccine if you don't have to for work, but try not to scare people who are thinking about taking it.

The bottom line is vaccines work, they have always worked, and they still work..

[RashanGary]

The bottom line is vaccines work, they have always worked, and they still work..

So you’re not a scientist either but you’re the authority on what the bottom line is? Different scientists have different views on these mRNA vaxx’s

[Zool]

So you’re not a scientist either but you’re the authority on what the bottom line is? Different scientists have different views on these mRNA vaxx’s

Odd how everyone seems to tout the "studies" that back up their already held beliefs.