Official Jordan Love Bandwagon Thread:

[smuggler]

GB is not talented enough to win without a premier QB.

TB won with a Tier 2 QB last season and the Chiefs lost with a Tier 1 QB. But in general I feel their rosters from 1-53 are one tier ahead of GB as of last season. We're very top-heavy.

[RashanGary]

Maybe, but the theory is that if they rid themselves of that huge QB contract, they COULD afford the pieces around to be talented enough.

Two more 15 mil per season contracts help. Could have two really good DL for that price. 2 stud DL alongside Clark would make us a top defense. And then if Love performed at a high level, that’s when it happens.

[Sparkey]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/1/2/18164980/nfl-playoffs-quarterbacks-salary-cap-kirk-cousins-patrick-mahomes

The Ringer - 2019 article

[smuggler]

I'm not angry, CMI, I just think you need to go watch a TedEd video about statistical relevance and re-evaluate the data that you set on the table. You're drawing conclusions from a small and drastically non-representative sample that you're looking at in the wrong light to begin with.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm not angry, CMI, I just think you need to go watch a TedEd video about statistical relevance and re-evaluate the data that you set on the table. You're drawing conclusions from a small and drastically non-representative sample that you're looking at in the wrong light to begin with.

This isn’t an exit poll of 2000 people out of 100M voting. This is the actual real world data including both the winners (Brady) AND the losers. Affordable QBs rarely get to the super bowl let alone win it.

[bobblehead]

Ish, look at your numbers again. I consider top 10 in cap to be expensive.
On that only
2020 Brady
2018 Brady
2016 Ryan
2015 manning
2013 manning
2011 both
2010 ben
2009 manning
2008 rothlesberger is 11th highest so borderline
2007 manning
15 years 11 expensive qbs, I think the data is more supportive of the opposite if your point. That includes an 11th highest paid.

Cap numbers from overthecap.com

Brady on year 1 of a 2/50 contract was top 10 in 2020...how is that possible?

[bobblehead]

This isn’t an exit poll of 2000 people out of 100M voting. This is the actual real world data including both the winners (Brady) AND the losers. Affordable QBs rarely get to the super bowl let alone win it.

Ture. Also true. Highly paid QBs rarely get to the Owl let alone win it. So...its really hard to in the Owl.

[Upnorth]

Brady on year 1 of a 2/50 contract was top 10 in 2020...how is that possible?

He was tied for 5th

So approximately 1/3rd of sb representatives and 1/3rd of the winners were top 3rd of qb contracts. To me that indicates qb quality is overrated and team quality is underrated.
Very small sample size but it conforms to my personal belief which is that and count but so does the team. Also important is captain obvious makes an obvious statement to people that read past headlines.

If I was retired i would do this analysis on oline and d line sending as well. Love to see how strong that correlation might be.

[call_me_ishmael]

Ture. Also true. Highly paid QBs rarely get to the Owl let alone win it. So...its really hard to in the Owl.

Very true, but the data supports that if you want to get to it and lose to Brady your best chance is to have a highly paid, top notch QB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Very true, but the data supports that if you want to get to it and lose to Brady your best chance is to have a highly paid, top notch QB.

Nothing in your stats shows this. You can’t count QBs on cheap contracts that got paid right after they went to a Super Bowl as guys with big contracts. Makes no sense.

[call_me_ishmael]

Nothing in your stats shows this. You can’t count QBs on cheap contracts that got paid right after they went to a Super Bowl as guys with big contracts. Makes no sense.

I didn’t do that. When Russ won the super bowl before getting extended for example that counts as a cheap QB. 90% of super bowl appearances featured a QB not on cheap contracts.

[Upnorth]

I didn’t do that. When Russ won the super bowl before getting extended for example that counts as a cheap QB. 90% of super bowl appearances featured a QB not on cheap contracts.

67% of super bowls had a qb appear on not cheap contracts in the last 15 years. Not 90%.
So a full 33% had 0 expensive representation and 67% were won by a qb that was relatively cheap.

[Sparkey]

Are we just looking at $$$ or as a percentage of the cap ?

Because $$$ and cap hits are rarely the same.

[Upnorth]

Are we just looking at $$$ or as a percentage of the cap ?

Because $$$ and cap hits are rarely the same.

I'm looking at cap hit. $ are not what matters. Cap hit is.

[bobblehead]

I'm looking at cap hit. $ are not what matters. Cap hit is.

Exactly. Which is why even a guy who just signed a 5 year 150 million contract is probably "cheap" in terms of cap hit.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/quarterback/#:~:text=Cap%20Allocation%3A%20Active%20Roster%20%20%20%20Rank,%20%2014.55%25%20%2055%20more%20rows%20

This is a good example. Look at where Brady lands on this one. 14th in cap hit. Maholmes is 23rd.