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If we can keep Lazard, Tonyan and MVS, I think I’d rather keep the three of them than keep Adams.
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Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
That's a Holy Shit statement
We can find a Lazard and MVS every year in the draft or free agency.
Tonyan is unique but I wouldn't overpay for him.
How hard is to find the next Davante Adams ?
This statement smells like you are trying to defend the omniscient Gutebag ahead of timeTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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The Packers 1000% disagree with you lol. Lazard is just a guy, the Packers aren’t showing any indications of wanting to keep Tonyan around (although I personally think he’s a good player) and MVS is the type of guy who might sneak on to most teams as a #4 or #5, mayyybbbee a number 3 on a bad team. To be clear, he’s our 5th option as a pass catcher, maybe 6thOriginally posted by RashanGary View PostComment
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Lots of variables here. I think Rashan is saying is that given the cap situation next year, it's like money ball. You can field a Lazard/MVS/Tonyan for likely the cost of a single Adams and have a functioning offense and thus lose less on the defensive side of the ball all things considered.Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
In an ideal world you'd keep them all but the reality is that you if you keep Adams you're losing several other non bargain players off the roster.
I do not want Adams at (he'll be 29 this December) at a max contract for the next 4 years. If they can extend him for two more years at top dollar I think he's earned it and that would be fine but a WR North of 30 is a risky proposition. We saw Jordy and many others dove tail at that point.
Then again having functional WR's to man the ship until you draft the next Davante (maybe Amari will be it?, likely not though) works too.
Remember the Packers are slated to be 50 million over the cap next year. You can't have it all. Rolling without Davante would hurt but I'm guessing hurt less than the loss of others.
It seems inevitable that Rodgers/Adams/Cobb/P.Smith will be gone next year to fit under the cap.60% of the time it works every time.Comment
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You're 1000% wrong about this, of course hahahahaha.Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
Lazard may have seemed like "just a guy" coming out of college, but he has proven on the field what he can do - be an above average receiver and an elite blocker from the WR position. And 6'5" with 4.55 speed is pretty impressive too. Valdez-Scantling is a combination of elite speed and size that virtually nobody else in the league has. He also has proven to be an above average blocker as a WR. His route running and catching aren't quite as good as they should be, but both improved a lot last season. Who do you see in the whole league who has been assets and performance as a #2 WR much less a #3? I'd say nobody. And Tonyan is probably one of the top 3 or 4 TEs in the league now. Aaron Rodgers probably makes all of them seem even better than they are, but he didn't make them 6'4" or 6'5" or bless them with the speed they have. The only thing we were lacking was a small shifty sot guy like Cobb used to be - and maybe still is. And now we have Amari Rodgers who there's a strong chance will be better than Cobb ever was. All that and St. Brown and Malik Taylor at the bottom of the group, and nobody else is even close.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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I have watched the NFCC game a few times. They aren't using him in practice games but I have read he really worked on his hands. Have seen many reports of him catching crossers and other routes. He will be more than just a deep threat this season (which will make him even more of a deep threat)Originally posted by RashanGary View PostThe only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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Your first sentence is good. You are about as wrong in everything after as you are right in that one. They are trying to lock Tonyan up. MVS would be the 2 on a lot of teams (most after this year). You want to keep adams, but do you want to pay him $25 million a year? I mean, it sucks, but you have to consider what you lose to sign a guy to that kind of money.Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View PostThe only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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My final stab. The last few spots were tough because I think it will come down to special teams, and I don't really know who is good there. I'm pretty sure there will be mildly surprising cut (maybe Lancaster, Kelly, and/or Patrick).
QB - Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love (2/2)
RB - Aaron Jones, A.J. Dillon, Kylin Hill (3/5)
WR - Davante Adams, MVS, Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Amari Rodgers, Malik Taylor (6/11)
TE - Robert Tonyan, Marcedes Lewis, Josiah Deguara, Dominique Dafney (4/15)
OL - David Bakhtiari, Elgton Jenkins, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, Billy Turner, Jon Runyan, Yosh Nijman, Lucas Patrick, Ben Braden, Dennis Kelly (10/25)
DL - Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Kingsley Keke, T.J. Slaton, Jack Heflin, Tyler Lancaster (6/31)
OLB - Za'Darius Smith, Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, Jonathan Garvin (4/35)
ILB - Krys Barnes, De'Vondre Campbell, Ty Summers, Oren Burks, Isaiah McDuffie (5/40)
CB - Jaire Alexander, Eric Stokes, Kevin King, Chandon Sullivan, Shemar Jean-Charles, Kabian Ento (6/46)
S - Darnell Savage, Arian Amos, Henry Black, Vernon Scott (4/50)
ST - Mason Crosby, J.K. Scott, Hunter Bradley (3/53)
I think if/when Bakh gets put on IR, they'll resign the best special teams player (Gaines, Uphoff, or Yiadom) or they'll go with an OLB (Rivers or Galeai) as insurance for Za'Darius Smith.
Ento vs. Yiadom was a tough one. Ento can't tackle. Yiadom can't cover. Teams lean towards coverage ability. However, Yiadom might win based on special teams.
OL was tough too. I would be surprised if Runyan or Nijman didn't make the team, but any combination of Patrick, Braden, Kelly, and Van Lanen wouldn't surprise me."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Tyler Lancaster being cut would not offend me. He's barely functional. Also, I'm not sure about keeping all those O linemen. Wouldn't nine of them suffice, and you cut Braden or Kelly, at least?
I hope Gutes is scrutinizing the punter cuts on other teams."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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I think you nailed it. Possible variations would include Kelly being let go, JK Scott being released with no punter but then put Bak on PuP and sign a punter, or Kelly for Uphoff/Gaines. The number of questions with your roster makeup are insignificant.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View PostThe only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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I think Bakhtiari will remain on PUP and they'll probably keep one more CB. JK probably gets replaced by a waiver punter.Comment
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Harvey stumbled onto a great point - for Bakhtiari, maybe for St. Brown, maybe others. The IR rules now allow for bringing somebody back fairly quick - quicker than the PUP list, I think. Keep those guys on the 53 so IR is not season-ending, then IR them and bring up somebody from the PS.
I think and hope Scott gets replaced as Punter too - every time he punts, you have to hold your breath it won't get blocked, it seems, because of the time and long stride, not to mention the inconsistency of his distance and accuracy and the no guts tackling thing. However, somebody worthwhile has to show up on waivers, which ain't a sure thing.
Scott looks like Ray Guy and punts like Justa Guy.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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I think the Packers usually keep 9 OL. If/when Bakh goes on IR, then I think 9 others will make the team. They may initially cut an OL (e.g. Braden) and bring him back--instead of a special teams player or another OLB--but I think they'll end up with 9 healthy OL when all is said and done.Originally posted by Fritz View Post"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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I missed on Jake Hanson over Ben Braden. That was out of left field, but it makes sense while Bakh is out. This points to Patrick starting at LG. That means both backup OCs are starting.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
I also missed on Yiadom over Ento, but classified it as a tossup.
I thought Bakh would be on the final roster and then put on IR. Bakh staying on PUP opened a spot for Rivers.
This looks like the initial roster:
QB - Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love (2/2)
RB - Aaron Jones, A.J. Dillon, Kylin Hill (3/5)
WR - Davante Adams, MVS, Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Amari Rodgers, Malik Taylor (6/11)
TE - Robert Tonyan, Marcedes Lewis, Josiah Deguara, Dominique Dafney (4/15)
OL - Elgton Jenkins, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, Billy Turner, Jon Runyan, Yosh Nijman, Lucas Patrick, Dennis Kelly, Jake Hanson (9/24)
DL - Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Kingsley Keke, T.J. Slaton, Jack Heflin, Tyler Lancaster (6/30)
OLB - Za'Darius Smith, Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, Jonathan Garvin, Chauncey Rivers (5/35)
ILB - Krys Barnes, De'Vondre Campbell, Ty Summers, Oren Burks, Isaiah McDuffie (5/40)
CB - Jaire Alexander, Eric Stokes, Kevin King, Chandon Sullivan, Shemar Jean-Charles, Isaac Yiadom (6/46)
S - Darnell Savage, Arian Amos, Henry Black, Vernon Scott (4/50)
ST - Mason Crosby, J.K. Scott, Hunter Bradley (3/53)"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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