The problem with the 2021 Packers offense

[RashanGary]

I've got to disagree with a lot of what you said. First and foremost, I've been saying forever that Aaron Rodgers just doesn't need much help from the O Line. He literally could thrive with let's say, Marshall House X 5 out there. We've got an exceptional group of RBs, and they do need some O Line blocking, but arguably not all that much. Sorry to those who dissgree, I just don't see O Line quality as that big a deal.

Regarding the comparisons, I don't see Jenkins as less than Bakhtiari. I don't see Myers as clearly not gonna be as good as Linsley. Newman in the preseason has looked more than decent - better than Patrick or Runyan and better than Turner in his few reps at Guard. Newman switched yo RG supposedly because Patrick was better at LG. I think when Bakhtiari comes back, Jenkins of course goes to LG, and Newman stays at RG. I expect this O Line to be damn good this year. Next year? I suppose there will be growth, but Aaron Rodgers makes them good. If he is there, 2022 will be great, O Line and everywhere else. If Rodgers is gone, it's all in the toilet anyway, and more so with the O Line blocking for Love.

Aaron Rodgers has his best years when the surrounding cast is best. He has his worst years when his surrounding cast is down. Rodgers isn’t getting a lot better and a lot worse from year to year, the team around him is changing.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I HIGHLY doubt either rookie will be average NFL players in their first year. Jenkins was an average player as a rookie. Alexander was an average player. But that is a rare level of play for a rookie. But I like both players. Slightly below average is a really good starting point for a rookie. It’s damn near best case. That means both players will eventually be studs if they’re almost average out of the gate.

It’s not that unusual for interior OL to be good right away—a lot like RBs. OT is a different story. Look at the starting IOL in the Pro Bowl last year. Almost all of them were good right away. Myers has that look. He looks more athletic than what I thought.

[Teamcheez1]

You lost me at Bakh - average LT. It calls into question the rest of your analysis.

[RashanGary]

You lost me at Bakh - average LT. You lost all credibility for the rest of your analysis.

He’s coming off of ACL surgery. He’s not going to be the same player. Next year he’ll be back to himself and probowl level again.

[Fritz]

It’s not that unusual for interior OL to be good right away—a lot like RBs. OT is a different story. Look at the starting IOL in the Pro Bowl last year. Almost all of them were good right away. Myers has that look. He looks more athletic than what I thought.

Think about how young the starting offensive line might be at the beginning of the season. It could shake out that you have a third-year player at LT (Jenkins), a second-year guy at LG (Runyan), a rookie at center, a rookie at RG (Newman), and an old hand at RT (Turner).

[bobblehead]

Aaron Rodgers has his best years when the surrounding cast is best. He has his worst years when his surrounding cast is down. Rodgers isn’t getting a lot better and a lot worse from year to year, the team around him is changing.

Stop with all your logic and common sense. Rodgers is GOD HIMSELF and Tex won't listen to heresy.

[call_me_ishmael]

Stop with all your logic and common sense. Rodgers is GOD HIMSELF and Tex won't listen to heresy.

I do think Aaron got _a lot_ better the last two years though. Injuries, maybe complacency, who knows. Just my opinion.

[texaspackerbacker]

Aaron Rodgers has his best years when the surrounding cast is best. He has his worst years when his surrounding cast is down. Rodgers isn’t getting a lot better and a lot worse from year to year, the team around him is changing.

Isn't that about what I wrote? The thing is, though, it's maximized with Rodgers - good years and bad years for the rest of the team. With Love, the peaks would be maybe a little above average, and the valleys would be in the toilet.

THAT is the logic and common sense, bobblehead.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I do think Aaron got _a lot_ better the last two years though. Injuries, maybe complacency, who knows. Just my opinion.

He wasn't that good two years ago. Probably in the 10-15 range for starting QBs in the NFL. Last year, he had one of the best seasons ever.

[scharpcheddar]

Is that they choke in the playoffs consistently

[bobblehead]

Isn't that about what I wrote? The thing is, though, it's maximized with Rodgers - good years and bad years for the rest of the team. With Love, the peaks would be maybe a little above average, and the valleys would be in the toilet.

THAT is the logic and common sense, bobblehead.

No, that is not even close to what you said. You literally said Rodgers could thrive with 5 Marshall Newhouse as his OLine. LITERALLY.

[Upnorth]

Isn't that about what I wrote? The thing is, though, it's maximized with Rodgers - good years and bad years for the rest of the team. With Love, the peaks would be maybe a little above average, and the valleys would be in the toilet.

THAT is the logic and common sense, bobblehead.

Logic and common sense would have you not assume love will suck based in 2 preseason games with backups everywhere around him.
Rodgers has improved in 2019 and 2020 thanks to a better game plan
Our oline had 2 all pros ladt year, and jenkins who is very solid. This year may give you some "its rodgers not the line" evidence as we just losst 2 all pros and our next best line man is playing out of his position. If rodgers is as good as last year that will tell you something, if not indicates the line may have more influence than you care to admit.

I for one hope to not see him scrambling for his life.

[HarveyWallbangers]

To be fair Rodgers didn’t improve in 2019. He had maybe his worst season. 62 completion % and 7.0 YPA are not good. Nor was his 52 QBR. His 95 passer rating was ordinary. Those were career lows or very close to it. Advanced metrics weren’t any kinder to him. He was a slightly above average starter—even with the low interception rate. His last really good season was 2016–before last year.

[RashanGary]

To be fair Rodgers didn’t improve in 2019. He had maybe his worst season. 62 completion % and 7.0 YPA are not good. Nor was his 52 QBR. His 95 passer rating was ordinary. Those were career lows or very close to it. Advanced metrics weren’t any kinder to him. He was a slightly above average starter—even with the low interception rate. His last really good season was 2016–before last year.

He had spotty OL play and lacked skill players in 2017 and 2018. 2019 was a new offense. I had the AR for MVP thread last year early when no one thought he’d be that good because I saw right away the team around him would give him a shot.

2021 will be down from 2020 because of the OL.

A QBs stats are more of a team stat than an individual in reality. I thought Rodgers was lights out in 2019 despite the stats.

[RashanGary]

QB production stats are offense stats not individual
Wins are team stats, not QB stats.