Packers Initial 69-Man Roster

[RashanGary]

If you are serious when you ask this I worry if you're under the influence )

That’s the question they have to ask. The answer probably is Rodgers, but that’s what the decision comes down to.

[RashanGary]

If you are serious when you ask this I worry if you're under the influence )

Bretsky, don’t be so certain Love isn’t a great player. They had no reason to need to move up but still did. They liked him coming out a lot. He’s got a chance to be great. Compared to Mahommes.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, don’t be so certain Love isn’t a great player. They had no reason to need to move up but still did. They liked him coming out a lot. He’s got a chance to be great. Compared to Mahommes.

Never seen him compared to Mahommes and I don't think the talent is remotely close.

Let's call a spade a spade and look at what we know. Gutebag overall has been a very good GM

But he's been far less than stellar in his evaluation of QB's and is lucky as hell he inherited AROD.

He really like Kizer. He really liked the Denver QB who is now a backup. And now he really luvs Love. This means little to me.

From the Packer guys who have watched all practices and covered and reported on the camp, he's really done nothing to make us believe he's horrible........but he hasn't flashed any signs of greatness either. I've listened a lot to Wilde, Tausch, and Steve the Homer True lately and they have all chatted with guys watching practice every day. Rodgers really flashed some signs of having elite talent early on. He was erratic and inconsistent as hell but he really had some WOW plays in practices. That's a strong reason GB was at peace to move on from Favre.

Love, according to them and everything I've heard, has not. Besides Steve the Homer True (who thinks Love is bad) they are all in the middle on Love.

My points: just because Gutebag feel in LovewithLove doesn't mean jack to me at this point.

At this point I continue to believe he can be an average NFL starter. Maybe

[HarveyWallbangers]

Never seen him compared to Mahommes and I don't think the talent is remotely close.

Let's call a spade a spade and look at what we know. Gutebag overall has been a very good GM

But he's been far less than stellar in his evaluation of QB's and is lucky as hell he inherited AROD.

He really like Kizer. He really liked the Denver QB who is now a backup. And now he really luvs Love. This means little to me.

From the Packer guys who have watched all practices and covered and reported on the camp, he's really done nothing to make us believe he's horrible........but he hasn't flashed any signs of greatness either. I've listened a lot to Wilde, Tausch, and Steve the Homer True lately and they have all chatted with guys watching practice every day. Rodgers really flashed some signs of having elite talent early on. He was erratic and inconsistent as hell but he really had some WOW plays in practices. That's a strong reason GB was at peace to move on from Favre.

Love, according to them and everything I've heard, has not. Besides Steve the Homer True (who thinks Love is bad) they are all in the middle on Love.

My points: just because Gutebag feel in LovewithLove doesn't mean jack to me at this point.

At this point I continue to believe he can be an average NFL starter. Maybe

Nobody really knows how much Gutebag liked Kizer and Lock. Anybody that says otherwise is lying. Kizer went late second round. Not only did Gutebag trade out of the 1st round and not take Kizer and he didn't attempt to trade up for him in the 2nd round. Must have not loved him that much. Gutebag traded up in the first round to draft Love. The Packers didn't want D. Randall on the team anymore, so the trade was pretty much for peanuts.

Pretty much the same thing for Lock. Not only did Gutebag pass twice on Lock, he easily could have traded up slightly to get him with his third pick in that draft, but he didn't.

Wilde, Tauscher, and Homer said something. It must be true.

And hate to break it to you, but Love DID look better this preseason than Rodgers did his first two preseasons. Rodgers looked really good in his third preseason and then the game against Dallas--which likely convinced the Packers to move on from Favre.

[smuggler]

Outstanding post Harv, but I will make one point to counter...

Just because TT passed on Kizer does not necessarily mean Gute didn't want to take him. Your point about Lock makes more concrete sense because Gute was at the helm by then.

Agreed that Love looked better in Preseason 2 than Rodgers, but the game is also different now. On top of that, can't compare how they looked in practice quite as easily.

[Fritz]

Never seen him compared to Mahommes and I don't think the talent is remotely close.

Let's call a spade a spade and look at what we know. Gutebag overall has been a very good GM

But he's been far less than stellar in his evaluation of QB's and is lucky as hell he inherited AROD.

He really like Kizer. He really liked the Denver QB who is now a backup. And now he really luvs Love. This means little to me.

From the Packer guys who have watched all practices and covered and reported on the camp, he's really done nothing to make us believe he's horrible........but he hasn't flashed any signs of greatness either. I've listened a lot to Wilde, Tausch, and Steve the Homer True lately and they have all chatted with guys watching practice every day. Rodgers really flashed some signs of having elite talent early on. He was erratic and inconsistent as hell but he really had some WOW plays in practices. That's a strong reason GB was at peace to move on from Favre.

Love, according to them and everything I've heard, has not. Besides Steve the Homer True (who thinks Love is bad) they are all in the middle on Love.

My points: just because Gutebag feel in LovewithLove doesn't mean jack to me at this point.

At this point I continue to believe he can be an average NFL starter. Maybe

Hindsight, Bretsky. Everyone now wants to sound wise - "Oh yes, we all saw flashes with Rodgers." Go back and read the Culpepper thread. That"s the real history of what people thought, and the Packers even tried to mend fences with Brent (despite all his foolishness) before they moved on.

[call_me_ishmael]

The best part of recent posts is Harv non-ironically embracing calling him Gutebag lol. I love it!

[Jaire]

Never seen him compared to Mahommes and I don't think the talent is remotely close.

Let's call a spade a spade and look at what we know. Gutebag overall has been a very good GM

But he's been far less than stellar in his evaluation of QB's and is lucky as hell he inherited AROD.

He really like Kizer. He really liked the Denver QB who is now a backup. And now he really luvs Love. This means little to me.

From the Packer guys who have watched all practices and covered and reported on the camp, he's really done nothing to make us believe he's horrible........but he hasn't flashed any signs of greatness either. I've listened a lot to Wilde, Tausch, and Steve the Homer True lately and they have all chatted with guys watching practice every day. Rodgers really flashed some signs of having elite talent early on. He was erratic and inconsistent as hell but he really had some WOW plays in practices. That's a strong reason GB was at peace to move on from Favre.

Love, according to them and everything I've heard, has not. Besides Steve the Homer True (who thinks Love is bad) they are all in the middle on Love.

My points: just because Gutebag feel in LovewithLove doesn't mean jack to me at this point.

At this point I continue to believe he can be an average NFL starter. Maybe

I'm with you.

Love has the arm. I just don't think he has what it takes to be great and am not confident you can learn that: it's a whole character thing that's possible but very very hard and rare to acquire.

I still have hope he can be decent though. Kurt has more of the mental toughness and character if not the skills. So I feel good with him as a serviceable backup that can win some games at least if Love turns out to be a disaster.

[RashanGary]

I'm with you.

Love has the arm. I just don't think he has what it takes to be great and am not confident you can learn that: it's a whole character thing that's possible but very very hard and rare to acquire.

I still have hope he can be decent though. Kurt has more of the mental toughness and character if not the skills. So I feel good with him as a serviceable backup that can win some games at least if Love turns out to be a disaster.

Did you watch full games of Love in college? You’re drawing an awful lot of conclusions based on a really small sample. I did watch Love play 3 full games. He looked like a fiery competitor and a strong armed, capable QB. The odds are never in a young guys favor to transition to the NFL, but Love has as good of chance as anyone to make the jump.

[Bretsky]

The best part of recent posts is Harv non-ironically embracing calling him Gutebag lol. I love it!

About F'CKIN Time ))

[Upnorth]

Never seen him compared to Mahommes and I don't think the talent is remotely close.

Let's call a spade a spade and look at what we know. Gutebag overall has been a very good GM

But he's been far less than stellar in his evaluation of QB's and is lucky as hell he inherited AROD.

He really like Kizer. He really liked the Denver QB who is now a backup. And now he really luvs Love. This means little to me.

From the Packer guys who have watched all practices and covered and reported on the camp, he's really done nothing to make us believe he's horrible........but he hasn't flashed any signs of greatness either. I've listened a lot to Wilde, Tausch, and Steve the Homer True lately and they have all chatted with guys watching practice every day. Rodgers really flashed some signs of having elite talent early on. He was erratic and inconsistent as hell but he really had some WOW plays in practices. That's a strong reason GB was at peace to move on from Favre.

Love, according to them and everything I've heard, has not. Besides Steve the Homer True (who thinks Love is bad) they are all in the middle on Love.

My points: just because Gutebag feel in LovewithLove doesn't mean jack to me at this point.

At this point I continue to believe he can be an average NFL starter. Maybe

Don't forget we drafted brian brohm and many commentators thought he would be the starter over rodgers. They have as much insight about love now as rodgers then. Love will at least look decent. We have a good team and game plan.

[texaspackerbacker]

That example shows they tend to overestimate the new guy, not underestimate him.

[RashanGary]

Don't forget we drafted brian brohm and many commentators thought he would be the starter over rodgers. They have as much insight about love now as rodgers then. Love will at least look decent. We have a good team and game plan.

I was glad when we drafted brohm because not all of our eggs were in Rodgers basket. Rodgers was no sure thing.

[Joemailman]

The fact that TT drafted Brohm after drafting Rodgers shows how tough it is to determine whether a top college QB will excel in the NFL. So it's very possible that after trading for Kizer, GuteTheGreat will be proven spectacularly right with the Love pick.

[Guiness]

Don't forget we drafted brian brohm and many commentators thought he would be the starter over rodgers. They have as much insight about love now as rodgers then. Love will at least look decent. We have a good team and game plan.

I was waiting for someone to bring up Brohm!

What a mess that pick was. He dropped so far he seemed like a bargain. With what happened with him I always felt they didn't really scout him because they never expected him to be there and panicked a little when he was.