Vonta Leach a Saint?

[vince]

Leach being released is nothing short of inexplicable.

They're carrying 4 TE's, only one of whom is decent blocker. Reports are that Martin has begun working as more of an H-back, and will likely serve as a lead blocker for Green, but Martin isn't anywhere near the calibur of blocker that Leach is.

Leach was the Packers best lead blocker - he's gone, and the Packers are going to go thru the whole season with Tory Humphrey inactive on game day???

TT is well on his way to running himself out of town... I can't begin to fathom what he's thinking. The Packers are now one of the two or three worst teams in the league, and given that TT has worked diligently to run our best players out of town (Wahle and Walker), I can only conclude that his goal is to run this team right into the ground. On that score, he succeeding fabulously!!

This is funny. Almost not worth a response, but out of fairness, I don't want to throw out an accusation without an explanation, so here goes... I apoligize ahead of time for the harshness of which I'm sure this will come across, but I don't know how to soften it.

1. It is the height of the combination of ignorance and arrogance when posters presume to know more about who can help the team succeed more than those professionals who watch practice every day, scout talent for a living, coach various segments of the team, study extensive hours of film, share notes, strategize about team goals, strengths and weakness, strategies and tactics, and observe and interact with players about their roles 18 hours a day.

These posters apparently don't know what they don't know - yet can't wait to judge - the worst kind of ignorance.

2. Not only do these posters know for an absolute fact that by watching one or two preseason games and reading a few articles by people who stir pots for a living, he/she knows more than all these professionals put together, but their decisions are "nothing short of inexplicable." These posters know more than the entire coaching and scouting staff about the offensive scheme that the Packers should be running, how they should run it, and who is most qualified to fit specific roles.

3. This type of post is not only both ignorant and arrogant, but it reaks of an individual who also has become emotionally invested in a specific position about whether these people are any good at what they do that even the most mundane decisions are positioned as "over the top" decisions that obviously reinforce the position in which their heels are well dug into.

Rooting for specific players to succeed is one thing, but IMO, anyone who honestly thinks they know more about which players are qualified to contribute have no idea whatsoever about what they speak...

Nothing personal...

[vince]

Before anyone responds, I want to apologize about the previous post. I flew off a little too quickly. I realize that doing the things I damned above is a lot of what makes these forums so interesting.

While I think there's some truth in the post, it was ill-advised. Sorry about that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Your post was pretty mild. My guess is that wist can handle it. BTW, your analysis of wist is spot on.

[Harlan Huckleby]

TT's playing for the future and didn't see Leach as a long term solution so he just cut bait regardless of how it will effect us short term.

yep, exactly right. I'm OK with this approach, but I just have a detail question.

I understand him wanting to protect all those rookies with potential hanging-on to the end of the roster. The future.

But WTF gives with Noah Herron????? Even if you convince me he is servicable for this season - and you have your work cut out doing that - it is impossible to believe that Herron is a long term prospect. Why not dump Herron?????? He has less short term value than Leach.

[Joemailman]

In this offense, the FB is as much of a pass receiver as he is a lead blocker. Leach isn't here for the same reason Ben Steele isn't here. He couldn't catch the damn ball. That is why they brought back William Henderson, even though he isn't the blocker he once was. Henderson has developed into a very good pass receiver. Leach would not have made the team to begin with if Henderson hadn't gotten hurt.

[AKfaust]

"In this offense, the FB is as much of a pass receiver as he is a lead blocker. Leach isn't here for the same reason Ben Steele isn't here. He couldn't catch the damn ball."

And what makes you think M3 is going to call pass plays?

[wist43]

I do, in fact, wish I could be more positive about the state of our beloved team, but there just isn't much there to hang your hat on.

That said, I was one of the few people that saw the Chicago game in a somewhat more positive light than most of the Packer beat writers and posters on this site. My hope for this team this year is to see steady improvement. W's and L's are incidental.

However, the reality is that this team has been in a tailspin for several years... When I've pointed out deficient moves, I've been all but tarred and feathered on these sites... Sadly, time has proven me correct much more often than not. I've got a long track record of posts on both web sites, and I'd put my analysis and track record up against anybody's.

Shoot the messenger if you must... but, back it up with something substantive to rebut my comments. I enjoy a good debate.

[gbpackfan]

Vince,

I loved your first post. Dont be sorry. The first thing that comes out of your mouth is probably the truth. That is the great thing about this forum, no need to pull punches. We are all big boys, we can take it!


SIDE NOTE


I wonder how Ben Brown is doing. Maybe they see something in him?

[Joemailman]

"In this offense, the FB is as much of a pass receiver as he is a lead blocker. Leach isn't here for the same reason Ben Steele isn't here. He couldn't catch the damn ball."

And what makes you think M3 is going to call pass plays?

Actually, the Packers threw the ball more than they ran it Sunday. I know they only threw it 5 times in the 1st half Sunday, but they didn't have the ball much, plus Favre was sacked 3 times.

[VegasPackFan]

The way I see it right now is that we basically have no halfback / true running back except Green. That is it. This new guy - will he have to learn our whole offense scheme and terminology now? I know Houston runs a ZBS blocking scheme, but that doesnt mean that the whole offense is the same.

If Herron has to step in for Green, we are flat out screwed.

So now it seems we have absolutley no depth at all in the WR and RB positions.

Am I right?

[Harlan Huckleby]

So now it seems we have absolutley no depth at all in the WR and RB positions.
Am I right?

The situation reminds me a bit of the movie "The Three Amigos". They didn't have enough soldiers to defend the fort, so they sewed uniforms, and put them on stick-men holding rifles. Maybe the solution is to, "Sew, sew like the wind!"

[Guiness]

This is funny. Almost not worth a response, but out of fairness, I don't want to throw out an accusation without an explanation, so here goes... I apoligize ahead of time for the harshness of which I'm sure this will come across, but I don't know how to soften it.

So...we shouldn't even bother discussing it because all of the right decisions have been made by people smarter than us? I guess we might as well just shut down the board now. It's useless anyways.

[vince]

This is funny. Almost not worth a response, but out of fairness, I don't want to throw out an accusation without an explanation, so here goes... I apoligize ahead of time for the harshness of which I'm sure this will come across, but I don't know how to soften it.

So...we shouldn't even bother discussing it because all of the right decisions have been made by people smarter than us? I guess we might as well just shut down the board now. It's useless anyways.

That's why I semi-retracted the statement, but when it comes to who makes the team, the people making those decisions have so much more information and perspective from which to operate, that, yeah, you could say they're smarter than us - on these decisions. People will question these moves, but it's ignorant - and entertaining - to do so.

[MJZiggy]

Vince, isn't there a difference between questioning the moves while discussing therm and saying TT is a moron, doesn't do anything right ever should be run out of town for being an idiot and there's no way the team he fielded will be any better than 2-14.

[wist43]

In retrospect, was it a good idea to run Wahle and Walker out of town???

This stuff isn't rocket science, and no one can deny that TT has completely dismantled this team to the point where it is one of the worst teams in the league.

Now if you want to make the argument that TT is breaking down a rotted edifice, and systematically replacing it with new and improved pieces, then go ahead and make that argument - but, there can be no denying that TT has made many, many questionable moves in that process.

Wahle and Walker were both pro bowl calibur players and TT gave them short shrift... ultimately replacing them with Adrian Klemm and Rod Gardner - both of whom are now gone as well. Jennings was a very nice pick, but to just punt Walker out of town is just as inexplicable as leaving your roster barren of a blocking FB.

I'm not ready to give up on TT, but to just blindly accept everything the guy does is nothing short of dim witted. The majority of people on these boards blindly accepted everything that Sherman did - when those of us who knew Sherman was making mistake after mistake criticized him, we in turn were tarred and feathered on these sites.

As it turns out, history has proven the critics correct and Sherman wrong. Just b/c we're not on the pay roll, doesn't mean that we don't know football and what we're talking about.