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37 second drive as seen from the stands.
I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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Some ignoramuses just can't see the obvious: we plug in rookies, unknowns, and JAGS in our O Line, they struggle some but basically block about as good as some overrated guys out recovering from a ACL against one of the best D Lines in the NFL. Why? Because Aaron Rodgers, same as his whole career, doesn't need more than a bare minimum of blocking, especially at the OT position against an outside rush. Some dumbasses just can't see that. Similarly, Aaron Jones jump cuts and runs to daylight pretty damn well even when there is not much of a hole, and give him a small hole inside, and he has the burst to get through for a decent gain and sometimes take it to the house. Most RBs including Dillon don't have that ability.
Certain fools think it's all about the O Line, but it is not - not on pass plays with Rodgers and mostly not on run plays with Jones.
That ought to be "incisive" enough even for an imbecile to comprehend.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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Hahahahaha.
Fine. I'll play.
Watch the following vid:
Watch it objectively, I know, that's a reach.
Watch for the difference between the positive and negative plays for both teams.
Clean pocket? Completion.
Pocket collapses? Incompletion/pick.
Run-blockers make their blocks? Nice gain.
Run-blockers miss? Not so much.
Now it's foolish to say it's ONLY the O-line, and no one here is saying that. And with dynamic talents like Rodgers, Adams and Jones, there is more room on the margins; watching Rodgers throw those lightning back-shoulders to Adams is poetry. But it is DUMB to say the O-line doesn't matter. It most definitely does.
This line played above themselves yesterday and played a big role in getting that W. Just as the 'skill' players did.Comment
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Offense isn't exactly firing on all cylinders when the QB averages 2 seconds before release to keep the rush from wreaking havoc. Nijman was serviceable, great game for him and maybe he continues to improve, but there is no comparison right now between he and Bakhtiari.Comment
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Nobody's saying that. But it's good to see that the Packers may have found a serviceable back-up left tackle for the season. I don't know that he's going to displace Jenkins at LT, either. I'm not sure what is gained by moving Jenkins back to LG - I suppose you could move Runyan to RG and kick Newman to the bench, but Jenkins is better at LT than Nijman is, so I'm not sure much would be gained.Originally posted by smuggler View Post
But at least they have a fallback option at LT."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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I'm ready for the Jordan Love era for the same reason I was ready for the Aaron Rodgers era....I'm just sick of the hero worship.The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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He’ll have a good group of young OL broken in for him.Originally posted by bobblehead View PostFormerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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Yes because rodgers has that it factor no other qb has. Like say mahomes whose pass blocking went to shit and so did he. See rodgers doesn't get affected b pressure at alll...... Yep sounds right to me.Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
Oh wait another qb comes to mind where the oline didn't matter. Favre. Man we are so lucky. 30 years of pointless oline play.
Seriously though oline isn't everything, but it is a massive piece of the puzzle. Also your example of Jones not needing a great line flies in the face of reality. He goes down easily with contact.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
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This is logical, you feeling ok buddy?Originally posted by Fritz View PostAll tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
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Civil response appreciated.Originally posted by George Cumby View PostHahahahaha.
Fine. I'll play.
Watch the following vid:
Watch it objectively, I know, that's a reach.
Watch for the difference between the positive and negative plays for both teams.
Clean pocket? Completion.
Pocket collapses? Incompletion/pick.
Run-blockers make their blocks? Nice gain.
Run-blockers miss? Not so much.
Now it's foolish to say it's ONLY the O-line, and no one here is saying that. And with dynamic talents like Rodgers, Adams and Jones, there is more room on the margins; watching Rodgers throw those lightning back-shoulders to Adams is poetry. But it is DUMB to say the O-line doesn't matter. It most definitely does.
This line played above themselves yesterday and played a big role in getting that W. Just as the 'skill' players did.
I watched the whole YouTube thing.
I didn't exactly see what you saw. The only play for the Packers I would call a "clean pocket" before the last two pass plays was the long pass to Valdez-Scantling. The Niners hardly rushed anybody in that last 37 seconds, so those two were also "clean". My point has always been that Rodgers basically doesn't need a "clean pocket" - hence the O Line being less of a factor, and I think the large majority in that video supported that idea. What it also showed - that I have to admit kinda goes against my long term truth - was the benefit of getting rid of the ball quick. So many have criticized Rodgers for that, and I always said I don't want him to throw it quick. Well, in that game at least, he got rid of the ball quick with great success - which, of course, lessened the importance of the O Line. The one sack of Rodgers it also supported what I have said - it's a lot harder to escape an inside pass rush, hence Guard being more important as a position than Tackle.
It was kind of a mixed bag with Garropolo. He had a helluva lot more "clean pockets" than Rodgers, and he had success on some. He also, to his credit, was rushed hard and still threw some good ones especially late. On the other hand, he messed up a LOT more than Rodgers, "clean pocket" or otherwise.
In the run game, Jones' TD run and most of his other good runs were bouncing away from the big cluster in the middle, not brought by good line blocking. Dillon, on the other hand, would usually run right into that big cluster and get about 2-3 yards. The Niners running game was more O Line dependent. Our D was blowing it up early, but in the second half, they were gashing big holes. I wouldn't deny the importance of good O Line blocking in the run game for most teams most of the time. My point though, is that the Packers O Line doesn't do that great (except when Jenkins was at Guard), and Jones does way more with less line blocking than just about any RB.
I agree with your line, our O Line "played above themselves yesterday", but they still were just barely adequate.
Certain individuals in here like to whine about "hero worship", well Jordan Love woulda got killed out there Sunday night, and the Packers woulda lost by four TDs.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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Brady always gets rid of it quick. If there’s a QB who makes the OL look better it’s Brady.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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Rodgers got the ball out faster than any QB this weeked at 2.17 seconds. I noticed most plays were quick hits.Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
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That, of course, hasn't been his way most of the time in the past, and I've generally been glad he didn't unload quick. He sure got rid of it quick last night, though. I'd say this shows he can turn in a GOATish performance even when he needs to adjust that way. (Let the detractors whine about hero worship hahahahahahaha). I may actually revise my opinion a little bit about the goodness of unloading it quick, especially since he managed to do that without interceptions - priority number one IMO.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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They were spreading receivers out a lot in that game. Especially on 3rd down. WR's had 163 total snaps. TE's just 88.Originally posted by Jaire View PostI can't run no more with that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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