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Best Packer players since 1990??
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Okay, Robert Brooks was a damn good wide receiver. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he'd be up there with the Freemans and Drivers, at least. He was the real deal, but an injury derailed him."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Good highlight video of Sharpe. He had shitty QBs for most of his career (Majik was really only good in 1989 and then he had Favre his last 2 years). He had no second WR to take coverage away until 1994. He played in an era where passing wasn't nearly as prevalent. Yet, he led the league in receptions in 3 of his 7 years (setting NFL records in both 1992 and 1993), had over 1400 yards twice (setting a Packers record in 1992), set a Packers record for TDs with 18 in 1994, and was one of the few people who won the triple crown in receiving (1992). He had four season of 90+ receptions, 1100+ yards, and 11+ TDs in an era where 90 receptions was generally top 5 in the league and only five players had ever posted 100 receptions in a season. He was generally considered the second best WR in the NFL--only because the goat, Jerry Rice, was in his prime.
The sad thing is: dude never missed a game in his career until the final game of of the 1994 season--when he got a neck injury that forced him to retire.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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How deep are we going? Some names to consider outside the obvious ones:
Tim Harris - I think most of his production came before 1990, and then again after he left for SF, but he almost reached 20 sacks and was an All Pro.
Bryce Paup - DPOY the season after he left though.
Sean Jones - He too was an All Pro with the Packers.
Brian Williams - All Pro, career cut short by injuries.
Ahman Green - best all around RB since 1990.
Javon Walker - thought he could've been great if not for his ACL injury.
Greg Jennings
Jordy Nelson
Donald Driver
Desmond Howard - we've never seen anyone like him since. He was an automatic TD in 1996, which is insane to imagine.
Jermichael Finley - injuries robbed him of a great career too.
Al Harris
Tramon Williams
Nick Collins
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"And stay there, damn it!"Originally posted by Fritz View Post
When I used to play hockey, we had an expression called "ragdolling" a guy. But I've never seen it done quite like that!
That was the Super Bowl year, wasn't it? 96? I remember Lee was crying about it after the game, saying he was "going to send film to the league." Simmons suggested he "shut up, grow up, and get a life". If I remember, the league agreed with Simmons' point of view, rather than Lee's.
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Originally posted by RashanGary View PostThose year's with Sitton, Lindsley, or Tretter and Lang were special. Rodgers would drop back, step up into a clean pocket, drop back again to let the tackles reset and then step up again, just waiting for dick rod or cobb or someone to come open. That was a truly special line.
Bakh/Sitton/Lindsley/Lang/BulagaReading this thread, and looking back over the years, I'm reminded once again of how fortunate we've been to have had so many years of really solid to actually outstanding offensive line play. There've been a few transitional years where we'd lose 2 or 3 guys to free agency really close together and it took a year or two to get their replacements up to par, or we'd get too many injuries at a thin position, but one thing I give Thompson and now Gutekunst credit for (and Wolf before them) is that for the most part, I think they've done a really good job of making sure Favre and Rodgers had a suitable workspace to do their jobs. It's made a significant difference in the careers both of them have been able to put together. Here's a thread about the greatest Packer players in the last 30 years, and it seems like at least 1/3 of the players mentioned are offensive linemen - and all that without anyone even getting as far down the list as Tony Mandarich!Originally posted by Freak Out View PostCliffy was a badass tough motherfucker. Memory loss for some of you dudes. Those lines Green ran behind were amazing.
OK. Sorry about that.
In addition to the obvious Big Three, my fourth would be Sterling Sharpe - one of the two best receivers ever to wear the green and gold, second only to Don Hutson. If it hadn't been for his injury, he might have been remembered as neck and neck with Jerry Rice in the conversation about greatest of all time.
After that, I'd have to say (in no particular order) Ahman Green, Charles Woodson, Clay Matthews, Corey Linsley, Josh Sitton, Greg Jennings, Gregg Tauscher... and I'm surprised at how much "meh" Chad Clifton is getting in this discussion. People can talk about his technique, and his athleticism, and his run blocking, and on and on, but the bottom line is when he was in the game, Brett and Aaron could drop back three steps every single snap without having to look back over their left shoulders. That's what you pay a left tackle left tackle money for, and Chad Clifton earned every dime of his left tackle money.
I'm also surprised not to see Donald Driver barely mentioned here. He turned 3rd and long into 1st and 10 more than any Packer receiver I remember in my lifetime. I'd also mention Marco Rivera - 2 times All Pro, 3 Pro Bowls, a Super Bowl ring, Green Bay Packer Hall of Fame... he was a key contributor to some of the best years of the Green Bay Packers. He belongs on the list of the best Packers of his era.
I'm also going to mention one more guy - Aaron Kampman. He was one of only two Packers in history who won Defensive Player of The Week twice in one season; the other was a guy named Reggie White. When he first showed up for training camp in his draft year, the first thing he noticed was that 32 of the 53 roster platers were drafted in the 5th round or later. He immediately recognized that this was a team that valued hard work more than raw talent; understood the meaning of that lesson, and immediately went to work busting his ass. Mike McCarthy described him as a player without a weakness, and his position coach said he was the most complete player he had ever coached in the NFL.
But he was more than a good player; he was one of those players who make the whole team better. He was the guy who, every year, the coaches would pull the rookies aside and say, "See that guy? Be like him." Most of us have played sports, we remember that there sometimes seemed to be a couple of guys in the locker room that we just learned to want to be like because they just kept everyone upright and focused and in the right frame of mind. There are some players who it isn't just what they do on the field that makes them good players, it's what they do in the locker room and on the practice field. Every good team has one or two of those guys who make everyone try to be the best they can be because that's the team culture, and Aaron was that guy for Green Bay for quite a few years. I want to call out his name and remind everyone that sometimes there's more to being a great player than piling up big numbers, and Aaron Kampman was one of that type of great player.
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