Week 4 other games

[Jaire]

Fields looking good.

Yeah. He might be good. Still too early to tell.

But the Lions should have won that came. Same old Lions: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[call_me_ishmael]

Rams vs Cards is the NFCC preview. Man that Kyler Murray is great. New breed with the boy in Baltimore too. Too bad JLove is not a 4.4 guy.

[call_me_ishmael]

Mac Jones is looking really, really, really good for his draft position. WOW!

[call_me_ishmael]

Swap the number and my god, Mac Jones _really_ looks a lot like Brady as far as playing style. He's more mobile for sure though.

[texaspackerbacker]

Mac Jones is outplaying the bogus GOAT. Obviously, if Rodgers had the team around him both O and D that Brady had, he'd have won as many or more Super Bowls too, but Ted Thompson put the kibosh on that.

Yes, CMI, what you said nails it. Love ain't even close to the runner Jackson and Murray are. Even if he can throw as good as those two (and that's far from proven), he's just a guy. I actually advocated drafting Lamar Jackson a few years ago - use him as a kinda Taysom Hill type change of pace player and back up QB. Imagine that added dimension. I wouldn't even rule out using Jordan Love that way, although somebody must have considered that and decided he couldn't handle it.

[call_me_ishmael]

Mac Jones is the real fricking deal. Dude brought it against a VERY good defense in the rain. I am supremely impressed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

To be honest, I wasn’t that impressed with Jones. He has good composure for a rookie, but the guy has a noodle arm. I don’t think his ceiling is very high. 8 yards per completion. It was like watching Cousins and Mayfield this afternoon—except that Cousins arm strength is decent. Everything is a dink and dunk throw. His ball takes forever to get to the sideline, so he’s extremely limited. Very limiting in the red zone. The completion percentage was good, the yards per completion were poor.

[Joemailman]

To be honest, I wasn’t that impressed with Jones. He has good composure for a rookie, but the guy has a noodle arm. I don’t think his ceiling is very high. 8 yards per completion. It was like watching Cousins and Mayfield this afternoon—except that Cousins arm strength is decent. Everything is a dink and dunk throw. His ball takes forever to get to the sideline, so he’s extremely limited. Very limiting in the red zone. The completion percentage was good, the yards per completion were poor.

That's what I thought. Defenders were coming dangerously close to out patterns. I think he's limited if he can't improve his arm strength.

[call_me_ishmael]

To be honest, I wasn’t that impressed with Jones. He has good composure for a rookie, but the guy has a noodle arm. I don’t think his ceiling is very high. 8 yards per completion. It was like watching Cousins and Mayfield this afternoon—except that Cousins arm strength is decent. Everything is a dink and dunk throw. His ball takes forever to get to the sideline, so he’s extremely limited. Very limiting in the red zone. The completion percentage was good, the yards per completion were poor.

Do you think Brady has better arm strength? I wasn't really looking at that sort of thing and it very well could just be that the Pats aren't very talented and the Bucs are ultra-talented and can cover like crazy. I thought he looked the part out there.

[Joemailman]

With :59 left in the game, why did Belichick try a 56 yard field goal in the rain rather than go for it on 4th and 3? Did he really think the probability of hitting that field goal was higher than that of gaining 3 yards? Patriots had been completing short passes all night.

[RashanGary]

Do you think Brady has better arm strength? I wasn't really looking at that sort of thing and it very well could just be that the Pats aren't very talented and the Bucs are ultra-talented and can cover like crazy. I thought he looked the part out there.

Peyton and Eli got by with Jones level of arm strength. I thought he looked good too.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Do you think Brady has better arm strength? I wasn't really looking at that sort of thing and it very well could just be that the Pats aren't very talented and the Bucs are ultra-talented and can cover like crazy. I thought he looked the part out there.

Yes. Brady’s arm strength is fine. He doesn’t have Favre, Marino, or Rodgers arm—but he still has adequate arm strength.

Rewatch the game and notice the difference on the sideline throws between Jones and Brady.

You know who has a cannon? Trey Lance. He probably has the second best arm strength in the NFL—behind Josh Allen.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Peyton and Eli got by with Jones level of arm strength. I thought he looked good too.

Both those guys had much better arms than Jones early in their career. Peyton lost his arm the last couple of years.

[George Cumby]

Good discussion about this kid.

I really like what's between his ears, IMO that's the most important variable.

Let's see what his arm strength looks like in 2022.

IIRC, there were knocks on Rodgers' arm early in his career.

[Fritz]

Good discussion about this kid.

I really like what's between his ears, IMO that's the most important variable.

Let's see what his arm strength looks like in 2022.

IIRC, there were knocks on Rodgers' arm early in his career.

Well, he's on the Bears, so give him a season or so and that'll knock his IQ down considerably.