THE ART OF THE SUCCESSFUL KICK AND PUNT----SPECIAL TEAMS FAILURES

[Fritz]

INFO FROM GOOD JS ARTICLE

Crosby has missed more field goals (six) in nine games this season then he missed in his previous 39 games dating to the 2018 season and on most of them, there was something wrong with the hold or snap

Mason Crosby deserves better,” said Drayton, referring to the Packers’ veteran kicker and all-time leading scorer. “Well, I owe him. We owe him and we're going to make it happen

You're looking for your long snapper to snap the ball with accuracy, location, so that's going to take velocity, the same revolutions to get to the holder in the same catch point (every time),” Drayton said. “Then it’s the holder’s job to put that ball down on a spot roughly the size of a dime, and maybe with very little movement, and then lean the ball in a manner that your kicker needs it.



As I had noted, it's not Money Mason


https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...er/6388947001/

So is Bojorquez not even supposed to try to spin the laces any more? He usually says something to Crosby after a miss, and Crosby rolls his eyes, so I'm wondering who that's directed at.

[texaspackerbacker]

So now the people who were throwing the ST coach under the bus are quoting him hahahahaha.

I still think it's Crosby that has been mostly responsible for the misses. Why? Most of the other 31 teams, many with a lot lower regarded and lower paid kickers haven't had those problems, at least not near as often as Crosby. Does that mean they all have snappers and holders who do it right consistently, while ours don't? I doubt that.

This doesn't seem like the kind of thing that game conditions, rushers coming in, etc. would be much of a factor in. They ought to be able to figure it out in practice - maybe have Crosby and the PS kicker we have both using the same snapper and holder compete and see who messes up and who doesn't. I bet Crosby would come in second.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, that monstrosity of a first post had me ignore it for a few days, but I finally muddled through it. So basically you are saying we should cut Crosby's salary and spend a bit more on a snapper for him.

)))

You could interpret that way if you chose to

[Bretsky]

So is Bojorquez not even supposed to try to spin the laces any more? He usually says something to Crosby after a miss, and Crosby rolls his eyes, so I'm wondering who that's directed at.

He shouldn't have to spin the laces if the snap is where it's supposed to be and all three people do what they are supposed to

But if the snap is off he has to spin and get the ball should not be moving and in position before Crosby touches it

[Bretsky]

So now the people who were throwing the ST coach under the bus are quoting him hahahahaha.

I still think it's Crosby that has been mostly responsible for the misses. Why? Most of the other 31 teams, many with a lot lower regarded and lower paid kickers haven't had those problems, at least not near as often as Crosby. Does that mean they all have snappers and holders who do it right consistently, while ours don't? I doubt that.

This doesn't seem like the kind of thing that game conditions, rushers coming in, etc. would be much of a factor in. They ought to be able to figure it out in practice - maybe have Crosby and the PS kicker we have both using the same snapper and holder compete and see who messes up and who doesn't. I bet Crosby would come in second.

Please point out one time where I threw the ST coach under the bus; in fact I didn't even know his last name. But those who threw him under the bus I think were pointing out other things outside of the field goals, which are all timing between a few people and the blockers

I brought in statistical evidence to prove to you how differently this was from many many years ago after you doubted there has been changes in the effective rates over the last 20 plus years. You just refuse to acknowledge the changes that have been made over the years or any logic that goes along with the timing factors that go along with the process. It's like you are comparing the technology of a Chevy Citation with a Tesla and arguing they are the same.

I don't flame our ST coach for the Crosby misses. All three players just need to do their dam job, and if player one and two fail Crosby will as well. It's all timing. Crosby is a great kicker.

[texaspackerbacker]

Sorry if you were one of those hating on Drayton. A lot of people in here were when I pointed out that it was more about personnel, luck, and individuals screwing up than things to be blamed on the ST coach. Kicking - Crosby's missed kicks - was near the top of that list. The other things, the bad bounce - luck - and Amari dropping the ball - him screwing up - can also hardly be blamed on the ST coach. What the ST can affect - good coverage, lane integrity, etc. has been improved this year, or maybe that is just luck also.

As for those technological changes, I question whether there has been any in the field of snapping and holding, certainly not to a Chevy Citation to Tesla degree.

Crosby has been a great kicker. Whether he IS is open to question.

[RashanGary]

Crosby has been a good kicker. Tucker has been a great kicker.

[Bretsky]

Crosby has been a good kicker. Tucker has been a great kicker.

Tucker is amazing and the GOAT of all kickers IMO

[call_me_ishmael]

Crosby's gotta be pretty good though or they'd move on. He is old and expensive.

[Bretsky]

Crosby's gotta be pretty good though or they'd move on. He is old and expensive.

At worst, I think he's in the top half of kickers

Maybe the top third; but we got a reliable guy who fits in and we should keep him

[Fosco33]

Oops. Wrong thread

[Fosco33]

Take away one completion to MVS and ARod is 3-6 for 16yrds

[RashanGary]

Viniarari was a great kicker. Tucker is a great kicker. Crosby is a good kicker. But he’s been good in bad weather and had a lot of clutch kicks. I’m fine with Crosby for a couple more years.

[texaspackerbacker]

Vinatieri was was great only because of his longevity. I think we can get by with Crosby for this season, but I'd really like to see us get a better kicker next season.