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  • #106
    Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
    I am unclear what you're saying. Rodgers just created a built-in excuse for himself if he doesn't win. I think he probably should win it, though, because he has played really well week 1 aside.
    I am not a fan of Aaron Rodgers the person, so far as how he presents himself publicly reflects who he is. The vaccination thing seemed really underhanded and unnecessary. I thought he could've addressed his issues with the team more privately.

    But the guy is a wizard at the QB position. We Packer fans have gotten awfully spoiled - if you watch other NFL games, you realize just how damn good Rodgers really is. So he may be the MVP.

    Lots of MVP's in lots of sports have been assholes. I'm not sure where you draw those lines, though. Probably very few people would think it would be okay to have, say, a pedophile win an MVP award or be in the Hall of Fame, but where do you draw a line? Being a general asshole probably would not be a disqualifier, though.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

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    • #107
      I watched Bucs/Panthers game a few years back. It was Jameis Winston against Cam Newton. Neither played well, especially Cam Newton. Those guys were considered talented QBs, but it looked like they were throwing in slow motion. Usually it's not so exaggerated, but of course you're right Fritz. Between Favre and Rodgers, we haven't seen a lot of awful QB play in quite a while.

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      • #108
        Originally posted by smuggler View Post
        I watched Bucs/Panthers game a few years back. It was Jameis Winston against Cam Newton. Neither played well, especially Cam Newton. Those guys were considered talented QBs, but it looked like they were throwing in slow motion. Usually it's not so exaggerated, but of course you're right Fritz. Between Favre and Rodgers, we haven't seen a lot of awful QB play in quite a while.
        Well, we have gotten to seen glimpses: TJ Rubley, Brett Hundley, a couple others (shudder).
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

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        • #109
          If Rodgers would have gotten to 40 and 4, I think he would have had it. But Brady put up gaudy numbers and is 44 years old. I think Brady gets it. And that’s good. We have a contract negotiation coming up with Rodgers. Back to back MVPs makes that a tricky bitch to navigate.
          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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          • #110
            I’d like to see a zero interception season by Rodgers. Even 35 and zero would put him in the conversation again.
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #111
              Rodgers is an overwhelming favorite to win MVP. Betting sites have him around -550 compared to Brady's +450.

              AR goes back to back.

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              • #112
                Originally posted by esoxx View Post
                Rodgers is an overwhelming favorite to win MVP. Betting sites have him around -550 compared to Brady's +450.

                AR goes back to back.
                I see that but can’t believe it. Brady has 43 touchdowns and 5300 yards. I just can’t believe 37 and 4100 yards gets it done.
                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                  I see that but can’t believe it. Brady has 43 touchdowns and 5300 yards. I just can’t believe 37 and 4100 yards gets it done.
                  When you look at just those two stats, yeah Brady should win. 43 & 5,300 is clearly better than 37 & 4,100. However, Brady also has 3x as many interceptions as Rodgers and AR led his team to the best record in the NFL. Also AR #1 in QB rating.

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by esoxx View Post
                    When you look at just those two stats, yeah Brady should win. 43 & 5,300 is clearly better than 37 & 4,100. However, Brady also has 3x as many interceptions as Rodgers and AR led his team to the best record in the NFL. Also AR #1 in QB rating.
                    43 TDS - 12 interceptions is +31
                    37 TDs - 4 interceptions is +33

                    I think Aaron has 3 rushing too.

                    Maybe Aaron gets it. I know they’re saying it’s his. I wish he would have gotten to 40 and 4 and made it a lock but he’s sure got a shot. Those interceptions should count for something.
                    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                    • #115
                      I hope he gets it; I think he gets it; but put this shit in perspective, it's just the God damned media voting.
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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                        43 TDS - 12 interceptions is +31
                        37 TDs - 4 interceptions is +33

                        I think Aaron has 3 rushing too.

                        Maybe Aaron gets it. I know they’re saying it’s his. I wish he would have gotten to 40 and 4 and made it a lock but he’s sure got a shot. Those interceptions should count for something.
                        Godgers missed 1 1/2 games. He also had almost 200 fewer pass attempts.

                        Godgers = 68.9 completion %, 7.7 yards/attempt, 7.0 TD rate (league leader), 0.8 interception rate (league leader), 111.9 passer rating (league leader), 68.8 QBR (league leader)
                        Brady = 67.5 completion %, 7.4 yards/attempt, 6.0 TD rate, 1.7 interception rate, 102.1 passer rating, 68.5 QBR

                        Bulk stats say Brady by a little (when you consider the interceptions). Advanced metrics say Godgers by a lot. Rodgers also has him slightly beat on rushing and fumble stats and team record (13-2 vs 13-4).

                        The only way Godgers doesn't get it is if the media holds a grudge over the off the field stuff (primarily vaccine stuff, to a lesser extent the summer holdout).
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                          Godgers missed 1 1/2 games. He also had almost 200 fewer pass attempts.

                          Godgers = 68.9 completion %, 7.7 yards/attempt, 7.0 TD rate (league leader), 0.8 interception rate (league leader), 111.9 passer rating (league leader), 68.8 QBR (league leader)
                          Brady = 67.5 completion %, 7.4 yards/attempt, 6.0 TD rate, 1.7 interception rate, 102.1 passer rating, 68.5 QBR

                          Bulk stats say Brady by a little (when you consider the interceptions). Advanced metrics say Godgers by a lot. Rodgers also has him slightly beat on rushing and fumble stats and team record (13-2 vs 13-4).

                          The only way Godgers doesn't get it is if the media holds a grudge over the off the field stuff (primarily vaccine stuff, to a lesser extent the summer holdout).
                          When you really break it down, yeah, Rodgers is deserving. I don’t know if these writers get deep enough to see passed the 5300 and 43. It’s an at a glance win for Brady.
                          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                          • #118
                            I wonder if Rodgers is at a point in his career where he’d take a slight home town discount to keep Adams around? Adams and Rodgers would be a nice pair for the next 4 years. And it would be fun to see Adams break every Packer receiving record. The 99 touchdowns by Hutson is a lofty number but Adams would get there after a couple years and have a shot at the HOF if he goes over 12,000 yards and 100 touchdowns
                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                              I wonder if Rodgers is at a point in his career where he’d take a slight home town discount to keep Adams around? Adams and Rodgers would be a nice pair for the next 4 years. And it would be fun to see Adams break every Packer receiving record. The 99 touchdowns by Hutson is a lofty number but Adams would get there after a couple years and have a shot at the HOF if he goes over 12,000 yards and 100 touchdowns


                              I don't think much of Rodgers as a Human Being, but I don't think he's staying her w/o Adams as well. Just my gut. He would bully his way to GB signing Adams just as he did Cobb getting here.
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                              • #120
                                Bullying shouldn't be necessary, as good as Adams is. It's more like Adams stays if we keep Rodgers than the other way around.
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