More Banjo - Packers vs. 49ers

[George Cumby]

Then don't play. I was worried about rushing these guys back and just how committed they would be. Did Ming pay a snap?

Ming was out there a bit.

[George Cumby]

Did the refs suck as bad as I thought they did?

Not awful, but I, too, thought the out of bounds hit on Jones could've drawn a flag.

[Spaulding]

The issue is Rodgers (again) didn’t execute in a playoff game. Rodgers is not going through his progressions and/or taking what the defense gives him. MLF set up the framework for Rodgers to succeed, which he has in the regular season. For whatever reason the offense has failed in the playoffs. A leopard can’t change his spots.

Is it worth having Rodgers in GB for one or two more seasons? I don’t know. MLF wants him back ( what else was he supposed to say).

When healthy we still have a good core of players: O line, secondary, RB,s are excellent. Clark and Gary are outstanding. Rodgers and Adams need nothing said. The salary cap will force some tough cuts.

Maybe we can make another run with some creative cap management, player development, and hit on some cheap FA’s again.

We are all frustrated with another underperforming effort in the playoffs. Has the window closed and is it time to rebuild? I’m leaning towards yes.

Agree on all accounts. We seem to have hit the ceiling with current roster. Thoughts on the key pending FA's or high salaried players below:

- Rodgers (trade while he still has value and to help cap situation)
- Z. Smith (cut due to cap)
- Cobb (cut due to cap and his declining skills)
- Adams (not resign not because he isn't a stud which he obviously is but due to the fact he'll be on the wrong side of 30 and our next two years will likely be rebuilding plus cap implications to resigning Campbell or others)
- P. Smith (extend if he's willing to give a home team discount as need more than just Gary for rush)

Between Rodgers/Z. Smith/Cobb and a possible extension of P. Smith we might have enough to resign Campbell and Tonyan who is damaged goods and won't command much. If Love makes strides (personally I think he's a bust but we haven't seen enough of him yet to say one way or the other) this team can still be competitive. Add in the draft capital from trading Rodgers and who knows it might be a short rebuild.

Allowing LaFleur to run his preferred offense with Love very well could be a breath of fresh air. Even if not is it any more distasteful than the playoff failures of the last several years?

[George Cumby]

I just don't think you can keep throwing the same shit at the wall and hope it's going to turn into a silk purse. The team as it's currently built doesn't seem like it can get over the hump.

The commonality, admittedly this is my own, facile take, is that Rodgers' substandard play in the biggest games is killing the team's chances to advance.

It might very well be time to boldly go where Ted has gone before and trade the future HoFer.

*Cue Tex Rage*

[Bossman641]

https://youtu.be/sK7yD1DfDCc

Watching this now. Sure seems like Rodgers missed a lot of open guys.

[Fritz]

https://youtu.be/sK7yD1DfDCc

Watching this now. Sure seems like Rodgers missed a lot of open guys.

Some of the stuff that worked well early the Niners adjusted to - and the Packers never adjusted to the adjustment. MLF seems to have a habit of coaching poorly in the biggest games, at least in the playoffs. I don't get it. Sure, the teams are better, but the Packers with the bye were supposed to also be very good. Yet they seemed to be unable to adjust, and they also seemed to be less able to play in the elements than San Fran.

[Thirteen Below]

Some of the stuff that worked well early the Niners adjusted to - and the Packers never adjusted to the adjustment. MLF seems to have a habit of coaching poorly in the biggest games, at least in the playoffs. I don't get it. Sure, the teams are better, but the Packers with the bye were supposed to also be very good. Yet they seemed to be unable to adjust, and they also seemed to be less able to play in the elements than San Fran.

I was really, really hoping that this would be the year that LaFleur showed that he'd outgrown the poor playoff coaching we saw the first 3 seasons, but apparently not. All night long, I kept thinking, "This is the game plan you bragged about spending 2 weeks working on around the clock???".

[Bossman641]

Part 2.

https://youtu.be/wOS-kEA5yZ8

A few things really stand out - Almost all of these passes were from shotgun. Rodgers really refuses to take the 8-10 yard checkdowns to the middle of the field. It's been my #1 complaint about him his whole career. He's gotten much better at dumping it off to backs but has never thrown it to the TE's consistently.

[George Cumby]

Part 2.

https://youtu.be/wOS-kEA5yZ8

A few things really stand out - Almost all of these passes were from shotgun. Rodgers really refuses to take the 8-10 yard checkdowns to the middle of the field. It's been my #1 complaint about him his whole career. He's gotten much better at dumping it off to backs but has never thrown it to the TE's consistently.

A little more Brady in his game would've gotten us to the 'Owl a couple more times, in my estimation.

[Fritz]

A little more Brady in his game would've gotten us to the 'Owl a couple more times, in my estimation.

Either that, or just throwing to whoever's open instead of force-feeding Adams when it was apparent that wasn't going to work. Did you see a single back-shoulder throw-and-catch to Adams? That was the bread and butter, but maybe because of the field conditions, there was none of that.

I agree with your general point, but Rodgers could've swept it all aside if he'd thrown the ball to ESB on that bomb with 3:36 left, instead of throwing into double coverage at Adams.

[Joemailman]

I was really, really hoping that this would be the year that LaFleur showed that he'd outgrown the poor playoff coaching we saw the first 3 seasons, but apparently not. All night long, I kept thinking, "This is the game plan you bragged about spending 2 weeks working on around the clock???".

The question though is whether the game plan was bad, or whether the execution of the game plan by Rodgers was bad. I doubt the game plan was to throw 90% of the passes to ADams and Jones. On the much discussed play where he did not throw to a wide-open Lazard, that was a case of MLF making the perfect play call for the defense the 49ers were in.

[Thirteen Below]

The question though is whether the game plan was bad, or whether the execution of the game plan by Rodgers was bad. I doubt the game plan was to throw 90% of the passes to ADams and Jones. On the much discussed play where he did not throw to a wide-open Lazard, that was a case of MLF making the perfect play call for the defense the 49ers were in.

I agree, but I think it was somke of both. As others have mentioned, where were the pre-snap movements, the misdirection, anything to keep the defense guessing, like every other team in the NFL does? It was the same set every snap - just come up to the line, stand there like statues, and run the same route trees. Rodgers played right into the Niners' hands by refusing to take what they were giving him, but (IMO) LaFleur made it easier for them by not doing anything to keep the D off balance. If what they were doing was no longer working, it's the coach's job to try something else. It looked like LaFleur came out with one game plane and one game plan only - which worked fantastic for 7 minutes, and then never again the entire night. It looked like Mike McCarthy V2.

[Upnorth]

Patrick taylor, 1 snap 0 attempts.
When he went out there 12 called a TO so jones could get rest. I don't yhink jones is an everydown back.
When 12 refused to play with Patrick we lost.
I think the Lafluer o is not what we saw. Or at least I hope not because if we lose 12 we are screwed like tex wants us to be.

[call_me_ishmael]

Patrick taylor, 1 snap 0 attempts.
When he went out there 12 called a TO so jones could get rest. I don't yhink jones is an everydown back.
When 12 refused to play with Patrick we lost.
I think the Lafluer o is not what we saw. Or at least I hope not because if we lose 12 we are screwed like tex wants us to be.

I agree with this. Once they refused to give him the ball I thought it wasn't going to go well. I was telling my wife over and over again that Dillon needed to get out there, but alas, broken ribs are no fun.

[NewsBruin]

If I can woulda-coulda-shoulda, I'd have yanked Davante for a set of downs just to force Rodgers to find someone else.