What happens if Rodgers wants to stay but management wants to move on??

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex... There is no "stretching" out of of Adams deal. Every single dollar of it will be in addition to the gap we already have. You can't create any cap savings by signing Adams. He will likely count at least $10M in additional money to the cap in 2022 even with a favorable deal because he will want a big signing bonus.

Yes, no disagreement there. When I said stretching out, I meant a new contract with maybe $10M against the cap even though it might average over $20M per year. I hope you understand how that works. In one or the other of these threads, I talked about that supposed $40M problem with the cap and how it really isn't a problem. If you disagree with that, whatever. You can counter that if you disagree.

I read run pMc's post after typing this. I'm thinking we sign Adams for 5 years - stretching it out. Make it about $135 million for five years, close to if not more than the Hopkins amount. Make $45M bonus. Make the first year salary just $1 million - he just got $45 million bonus handed to him after all. That gives you a cap number of $10 million. Spread out the other $89 over the next four years, fairly small in the second year and heavily back loaded. After about 3 or 4 years, if Adams is still looking great, extend and restructure him so the deal doesn't hurt the cap then - more stretching. If he's fading, you can cut him after 4 or maybe even 3 years without too much dead money ($9 M per remaining year).

[Bretsky]

Yes, no disagreement there. When I said stretching out, I meant a new contract with maybe $10M against the cap even though it might average over $20M per year. I hope you understand how that works. In one or the other of these threads, I talked about that supposed $40M problem with the cap and how it really isn't a problem. If you disagree with that, whatever. You can counter that if you disagree.

The toughest part here is ADAMS is not taking any structure at 20MIL/Year. He's be signed already if he'd take that.

And I have a bad feeling because she sides sound far apart, they are going to franchise him. Seems like a no brainer. Even if they are not keeping him, you franchise, him and trade him

But to franchise him holy crap they have $$$$ to clear from the cap

[Bretsky]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...t-danny-etling



DeAndre Hopkins signed a 2 year, $54,500,000 contract with the Arizona Cardinals, including a $27,500,000 signing bonus, $60,050,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $27,250,000. In 2022, Hopkins will earn a base salary of $6,650,000 and a roster bonus of $10,650,000, while carrying a cap hit of $25,050,000 and a dead cap value of $29,900,000.

Let's say Davante signs for the exact contract DeAndre Hopkins did; that would be $25M of cap space they'd need to find in addition to the $40M they will already need to free up. Yes, you could maybe add void years and a longer contract (and longer contract = more money for a player approaching 30) but it won't bring that cap hit down by much -- maybe they get the number down to $15M... so you have to find $55M ($40M + 15M) in cap space magically from your roster. You are gutting your roster to make that move.

You can extend Rodgers, but I'd guess he's looking for something in the neighborhood of 3yr/$120M. He already has a 2023 void year on his current contract; I assume an extension would modify that. Either way I'm not sure you can bring his cap number below $30M without him having void years until he's 50. If you extend him 3 more years I don't think he plays to the end of that contract, and you'd be paying for it for years with a lot of dead cap space you can't use to sign/keep players.

Yes, the FO and HC want Rodgers and Adams to stay, but the reality is they might not be able to afford them.

They *might* be able to convert some of his base salary to a bonus and push it out across void years to lower the cap; that, plus cutting Cobb and both Smiths would get you room, but I don't think it's enough for Adams. Maybe cut Lowry too? You're really hurting your Front 7 on D and creating a lot of holes to fill. Fun fact: Amari Rodgers and Juwann Winfree are the only WRs under contract for next season. (They'll get Lazard back, he's an RFA)

Rodgers has a shit ton of money and his furture wife does as well I worry he wants it both ways. Wants the 3yr 40/year but unless we add a bunch of bogus years onto the deal with a signing bonus that would destroy out cap. Give him that deal and it decimates our cap and/or really hurts us down the road

Brady won a Shit ton of SB's taking team friendly deals. I'm not saying overpaid/underpaid....but deals were team friendly. Not sure Rodgers has that in him

[bobblehead]

It sounds like the Packers really want Rodgers back. I think they’re gonna do everything they can to keep most of the band together. I’m not exactly sure what that will look like but with Gary playing so well I’m sure we’ll be without one of the smiths.

Let’s hope for a good draft and some development from the younger guys.

We don't know what they are thinking as they would say they really want him back regardless. Saying, yea, we gotta trade him tanks offers from other teams.

[bobblehead]

Fuck Rodgers when has he really ever won in the cold? It’s time to #MoveOnPackers cuz he can’t win at Lambeau when it counts.

While I am not hating on Rodgers, I agree with the premise that he hasn't gotten us to the Owl in over a decade. Not always his fault, but this loss is squarely on his shoulders. Due to the cap situation I clearly think a trade and cap reset season is the teams best move.

[Thirteen Below]

The toughest part here is ADAMS is not taking any structure at 20MIL/Year. He's be signed already if he'd take that.

And I have a bad feeling because she sides sound far apart, they are going to franchise him. Seems like a no brainer. Even if they are not keeping him, you franchise, him and trade him

But to franchise him holy crap they have $$$$ to clear from the cap

Yeah, and that franchise tag for Adams in 2022 will be roughly $19 million - all of which counts against the cap next season, right? You can't structure franchise tag contracts out over a number of years, can you? I don't think you can. If they keep Rodgers, they will need to keep Adams too, and it would be cheaper against the cap to sign him and wave a magic wand over the contract to keep next year's cap hit lower than $19 million.

But I think they've known all season that they were going to tag Adams this year if they didn't resign him to a longterm deal. Nobody else makes sense. So I'm sure they've got all the scenarios mapped out on a spread sheet in Guteknust's office.

[bobblehead]

Lets just be honest. This was the year they sold out to win it all and we went one and done. If you can get 2 first and 2 second for Rodgers I can't find a good argument against it. If you can tag and trade Adams for an additional 1 and 2 you can then cut dead weigh, mail in a year and reset the cap issues. Yes you will win 4 games. Good, that makes your own pick a top 10 pick. Then you can begin loading young cheap talent through the draft, sign a select few FA to your reset cap, and begin winning again.

Edit: If Bak shows signs of not sucking, I would even deal him mid season and lock Elgton up to be the future LT (unless Yosh improves even more).

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers has a shit ton of money and his furture wife does as well I worry he wants it both ways. Wants the 3yr 40/year but unless we add a bunch of bogus years onto the deal with a signing bonus that would destroy out cap. Give him that deal and it decimates our cap and/or really hurts us down the road

Brady won a Shit ton of SB's taking team friendly deals. I'm not saying overpaid/underpaid....but deals were team friendly. Not sure Rodgers has that in him

Rodgers may or may not take a team friendly deal. I'm obviously not as negative about what's in his mind as some people in here. As I understand the cap, 5 years is the longest you can prorate a bonus for. Extending Rodgers that long even without any team discount like Brady got would give him a very manageable cap number - even if it's a couple hundred million total.

[texaspackerbacker]

The toughest part here is ADAMS is not taking any structure at 20MIL/Year. He's be signed already if he'd take that.

And I have a bad feeling because she sides sound far apart, they are going to franchise him. Seems like a no brainer. Even if they are not keeping him, you franchise, him and trade him

But to franchise him holy crap they have $$$$ to clear from the cap

Don't even think about franchising Adams or probably anybody else who is very good. Franchising is an absolute cap killer. Adams won't "settle for" an average of $20M per year? Ok, up it a little bit. The point, though, is that you can give a very acceptable $45M bonus and a tiny (if 1 million is tiny) first year salary, then you only have a $10M cap number.

[Thirteen Below]

Rodgers may or may not take a team friendly deal. I'm obviously not as negative about what's in his mind as some people in here. As I understand the cap, 5 years is the longest you can prorate a bonus for. Extending Rodgers that long even without any team discount like Brady got would give him a very manageable cap number - even if it's a couple hundred million total.

I just thought of something, though. Yes, Rodgers can make himself a free agent after next season, so on paper he can only threaten to hold out for one year if management tries to trade him but he refuses - but can't they threaten to tag him the following year? Tag and trade Adams this year, and use the tag next year on Riodgers? That would effectively put Guteknust in the position of sitting across the table from him and saying, "Your call, Superman. Take the trade to Denver or spend the next 2 years watching the NFL on TV every Sunday while your skills evaporate, and let's see who wants you in 2024 when you're 41 years old."

Is that scenario a theoretical possibility? I won't speculate on whether Gutekunst has the balls to do it, but is it possible?

[RashanGary]

Tex is making the most sense out of anyone here but I think he’s a little off. I do think we’re gonna have to make a couple tough decisions and move on from a couple players we don’t want to move on from.

But for the most part they can keep the band together.

I can pretty much guarantee the 2022 secondary is going to be better than 2021. Stokes will be much improved and Jaire will be a big boost over anyone we had playing this year.

I can also pretty much guarantee the OL will be better. Bakh should be back. Jenkins will be back mid season. Yosh will be better. Meyers will be better. Newman will be better. Even Runyan should be better. The whole OL should be improved.

We’ll lose a couple players but mostly stay in tact and be better in a couple spots. We can have another good year with mostly the same
Team. And it’s done by pushing money ahead like Tex talks about.

[Bretsky]

Don't even think about franchising Adams or probably anybody else who is very good. Franchising is an absolute cap killer. Adams won't "settle for" an average of $20M per year? Ok, up it a little bit. The point, though, is that you can give a very acceptable $45M bonus and a tiny (if 1 million is tiny) first year salary, then you only have a $10M cap number.

Hopkina signed for over 54MIL on 2 years. that hurts us here

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahaha Thanks, I think, RG.

I pretty much agree with you about the secondary and to some extent about the O Line too. And we would still have Jones - one of the top RBs and Dillon too, and the rest of our D might be better too, although that is less sure. Even with all of that, though, even those aspects of the team probably will seem worse with a different QB - a lot more time on the field and pressure on the defense if there are more turnovers and less time of possession, also a lot more exposure of the O Line with just about anybody else at QB - we saw that against KC and Detroit. Also, the running game would have a lot less openings without the threat of a superstar QB. In other words, without Rodgers, the team is in the toilet. Sorry, but that's my take on it, and there's a rumor that I'm the biggest optimist in here.

[texaspackerbacker]

Hopkina signed for over 54MIL on 2 years. that hurts us here

True in terms of average per year to make Adams highest paid. Also, it would badly affect the franchise amount which I think is something like the average of the 3 top paid at the position or something like that. But we could pay
Adams about that much of an average over 5 years without much harm to the cap.

[Thirteen Below]

Hopkina signed for over 54MIL on 2 years. that hurts us here

It's going to hurt us either way - it drives his price up if he resigns with us, but it also drives up the price of his franchise tag, because that's based on the average of the 5 highest paid players at his position. That average price just went up significantly. If a coupld more deals are signed between now and March 8th that are also pushed higher because of that contract, the price of the franchise tag goes even higher, and strengthens his bargaining position when they try to negotiate a new deal.

Hopkins is now the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history. One of the ripples of this is that every team that has to negotiate with a WR this season is now going to pay more than they had planned. This was really the last thing Green Bay needed at the moment.

You know what really amazes me the most about this? Hopkins negotiated this deal himself. He is his own agent. This is an insanely good contract for him, and he did the whole thing himself. I've heard that he wants to be a GM after he retires; sounds like he's got the tools for that position as well.