Where Is the Love in Green Bay?

[Sparkey]

From a playing time, practice time point of view. Last year was about what you would expect in the first year. That "thing" totally fuxked up his first year. Almost as if it was a redshirt year in college

[run pMc]

Keep him unless someone makes a compelling offer... a R3 is not enough. Love is on a cheap contract, still needs developing, and you have an aging QB. Might as well keep him. There's a pretty good chance he'll get playing time, either because of injury, covid, or the score. He's better than Benkert.

If Love demands a trade, then you have a problem because nobody will offer much for a guy who wants out and you'll be looking for a backup QB who likely either costs more or plays worse.
They won't pick up his 5th year option.

[Fritz]

If they think he's still got upside, then you definitely keep him. You have, as others have said, a cheap backup for two more years, and one that could develop into a starting NFL QB. He looks like a skittish colt out there (not a Colt, at least not yet), and he's got a weird throwing motion, almost like a wind-up, but maybe they can settle him down and work on making him get the ball out more efficiently.

At the same time, if all they see is a bunch of "maybe" out of him, and Indy wants to give up a second (I highly doubt that but the QB class this year is garbage, apparently), well, you'd have to think about that. I don't know what they think of Benkert, and I don't know if Timmy "Hard" Boyle will be available, but a second round pick in a year you're trying to make it happen (oh, that narrow window of opportunity!) would surely be tempting. Again, though, it seems doubtful Indy would do that.

I think they keep Love for another year and work with him heavily. They really ought to know by the season's end what they have in him, and can decide accordingly. He doesn't have to be lights out, but he's got to learn and show that he is learning.

[texaspackerbacker]

Love's trade value probably would actually go down in another year, as the other team would have control of him less years, and likely Love wouldn't gonna get much opportunity to upgrade his reputation this season with the Packers. A #2m pick for him now would be great, and I think I'd be satisfied with a #3, maybe even #4.

As for backup QB, we're basically screwed if Rodgers gets hurt regardless of who the backup is. Benkert, Boyle, or just about anybody would be adequate.

[run pMc]

Love's trade value probably would actually go down in another year, as the other team would have control of him less years, and likely Love wouldn't gonna get much opportunity to upgrade his reputation this season with the Packers. A #2m pick for him now would be great, and I think I'd be satisfied with a #3, maybe even #4.

As for backup QB, we're basically screwed if Rodgers gets hurt regardless of who the backup is. Benkert, Boyle, or just about anybody would be adequate.

Disagree.

Giving up Love for a R3 or R4 is basically giving him away. He has value as a backup QB.
If you think the team is screwed if thy play anyone other than Rodgers at QB, then are you saying they shouldn't try to improve their QB depth or develop their next QB? If Rodgers can't go because of covid, or a bad calf, or a concussion, should MLF just have the offense punt on 1st down? The Packers don't make the playoffs in 2013 without Matt Flynn playing .500 ball for a few games until Rodgers comes back. Your backups should be able to help keep your team above water for a few games, including backup QB.

Another thing to consider:
The Lions and Bears are rebuilding, and the Vikings are aging while rolling out a new head coach. I'd argue this year with a Mac Jones/Teddy Bridgewater level starting QB they could do just fine in the NFCN. It's not impossible that Jordan Love could get GB to the playoffs.
SF has proven anything can happen in a single elimination tournament.

[Tony Oday]

Disagree.

Giving up Love for a R3 or R4 is basically giving him away. He has value as a backup QB.
If you think the team is screwed if thy play anyone other than Rodgers at QB, then are you saying they shouldn't try to improve their QB depth or develop their next QB? If Rodgers can't go because of covid, or a bad calf, or a concussion, should MLF just have the offense punt on 1st down? The Packers don't make the playoffs in 2013 without Matt Flynn playing .500 ball for a few games until Rodgers comes back. Your backups should be able to help keep your team above water for a few games, including backup QB.

Another thing to consider:
The Lions and Bears are rebuilding, and the Vikings are aging while rolling out a new head coach. I'd argue this year with a Mac Jones/Teddy Bridgewater level starting QB they could do just fine in the NFCN. It's not impossible that Jordan Love could get GB to the playoffs.
SF has proven anything can happen in a single elimination tournament.

ZERO value as a backup except he is decent enough at holding a clip board. He is trash. He couldnt win a game if the other team didn't show. R3 Pick would be AMAZING for him.

[Bretsky]

Disagree.

Giving up Love for a R3 or R4 is basically giving him away. He has value as a backup QB.
If you think the team is screwed if thy play anyone other than Rodgers at QB, then are you saying they shouldn't try to improve their QB depth or develop their next QB? If Rodgers can't go because of covid, or a bad calf, or a concussion, should MLF just have the offense punt on 1st down? The Packers don't make the playoffs in 2013 without Matt Flynn playing .500 ball for a few games until Rodgers comes back. Your backups should be able to help keep your team above water for a few games, including backup QB.

Another thing to consider:
The Lions and Bears are rebuilding, and the Vikings are aging while rolling out a new head coach. I'd argue this year with a Mac Jones/Teddy Bridgewater level starting QB they could do just fine in the NFCN. It's not impossible that Jordan Love could get GB to the playoffs.
SF has proven anything can happen in a single elimination tournament.

Wait, if AROD was injured you'd want Love as our QB ?

If the answer is yes I guess you keep him.

[run pMc]

Wait, if AROD was injured you'd want Love as our QB ?

If the answer is yes I guess you keep him.

If Rodgers was injured I wouldn't mind Joe Burrow as our QB, but that isn't happening. A Year 3 Jordan Love should be able to at least be enough of a game manager to keep them afloat for a couple of games. Now I certainly don't think he's a franchise QB, but you could do a lot worse at backup QB.

For those who think he's worthless and "anyone but Rodgers" means it's hopeless, then are you saying they shouldn't even hold a roster spot for a backup?

[red]

releasing or trading love this year adds another 4 million onto our already shitty cap situation

[Bretsky]

If Rodgers was injured I wouldn't mind Joe Burrow as our QB, but that isn't happening. A Year 3 Jordan Love should be able to at least be enough of a game manager to keep them afloat for a couple of games. Now I certainly don't think he's a franchise QB, but you could do a lot worse at backup QB.

For those who think he's worthless and "anyone but Rodgers" means it's hopeless, then are you saying they shouldn't even hold a roster spot for a backup?

Nobody is saying that; but some might argue we can sign an equally capable backup and take the draft capital while you can get it. Whether it's Love, Fitzmagic, or Chase Daniels....etc....we'd be on life support w/o Rodgers for any extended time anyways

[run pMc]

Based on what little we've seen on him, I agree the team would struggle with any backup for an extended time. That's how the NFL is. There aren't enough starting caliber QBs currently, much less decent backups. Fitzpatrick made $10M last year, Daniels was making over 4 when Detroit cut him. Jordan Love has been in their system and should know the offense by now, and he makes $3M. Unless someone makes a good trade offer I don't see any upside to releasing or letting him go...especially given their cap situation.

You still need a halfway-capable cheap backup, he fits that description.

To be clear, I was not a fan of him being drafted, and I don't think he's the answer in their quest for continued excellence at QB beyond 2025. His fundamentals are still iffy and his accuracy even in college didn't match Rodgers at Cal. I do think that if Rodgers goes out with a concussion in the 3Q up 24-14, Jordan Love can get them out of that game. Love going a full 17 games and winning the NFCN as a starter is harder to imagine, but if I squint (i.e., give Gute/MLF a lot of credit, they have some luck) it's possible.

I understand the logic of drafting QB prospect and developing them, especially with an aging QB on the roster. I also think if you trade him for a late Day 2/early Day 3 pick you are selling low on a stock you paid a price for before you've seen it all the way through.

I could see them being talked in trading him along with pick swaps (i.e., Love and their R1 for a higher R1) if there's a player they really um... love... but I have a feeling they want to keep him one more year just because he's cheap and their cap is a mess this year.

[Upnorth]

Nobody is saying that; but some might argue we can sign an equally capable backup and take the draft capital while you can get it. Whether it's Love, Fitzmagic, or Chase Daniels....etc....we'd be on life support w/o Rodgers for any extended time anyways

So trade him for at very best a second, give us another 4mil cap hit plus another 1ish minimum for a backup like Benkert. No he'll no never nope.

Gotta be stupid to think that helps us this year.
Not only are you losing a 3rd yr in system qb you are losing another player somewhere to make up for the cap hit.

[NewsBruin]

If Spotrac is correct, Jordan costs us $1.7M in salary this season, with two more seasons of $1.6M cap hits for his signing bonus. It looks like his 2023 salary is guaranteed (not sure how that would factor in a trade).

I'm reading that right, we'd save $1.7m on this year's cap by trading him and immediately lose $3.2m from the salary cap from the signing bonus. If we cut him, we're out all $6M+ against the cap. I think we have to keep him unless he's an absolute lockerroom cancer.

[red]

If Spotrac is correct, Jordan costs us $1.7M in salary this season, with two more seasons of $1.6M cap hits for his signing bonus. It looks like his 2023 salary is guaranteed (not sure how that would factor in a trade).

I'm reading that right, we'd save $1.7m on this year's cap by trading him and immediately lose $3.2m from the salary cap from the signing bonus. If we cut him, we're out all $6M+ against the cap. I think we have to keep him unless he's an absolute lockerroom cancer.

you're reading it right, IMO, you're over reading things a bit

the 2022 cap number is what he counts against the cap this year. the dead cap is what he counts if we cut or trade him. you just replace one number with the other if he's traded. just makes life easier

i was using numbers from over the cap, and they're number is just a bit higher. no clue whos numbers are closer

either way, he would count an extra 3-4 million or so against the cap if he is traded then he would if we keep him

so i agree it would be pretty dumb to trade him this year unless we get just an amazing offer, and theres no way we're getting that

[Fritz]

Based on what little we've seen on him, I agree the team would struggle with any backup for an extended time. That's how the NFL is. There aren't enough starting caliber QBs currently, much less decent backups. Fitzpatrick made $10M last year, Daniels was making over 4 when Detroit cut him. Jordan Love has been in their system and should know the offense by now, and he makes $3M. Unless someone makes a good trade offer I don't see any upside to releasing or letting him go...especially given their cap situation.

You still need a halfway-capable cheap backup, he fits that description.

To be clear, I was not a fan of him being drafted, and I don't think he's the answer in their quest for continued excellence at QB beyond 2025. His fundamentals are still iffy and his accuracy even in college didn't match Rodgers at Cal. I do think that if Rodgers goes out with a concussion in the 3Q up 24-14, Jordan Love can get them out of that game. Love going a full 17 games and winning the NFCN as a starter is harder to imagine, but if I squint (i.e., give Gute/MLF a lot of credit, they have some luck) it's possible.

I understand the logic of drafting QB prospect and developing them, especially with an aging QB on the roster. I also think if you trade him for a late Day 2/early Day 3 pick you are selling low on a stock you paid a price for before you've seen it all the way through.

I could see them being talked in trading him along with pick swaps (i.e., Love and their R1 for a higher R1) if there's a player they really um... love... but I have a feeling they want to keep him one more year just because he's cheap and their cap is a mess this year.

And all those people talking about how turrible Love is . . . did anyone watch Tim Boyle play for Detroit last year? He was awful - way, way worse than Jared Goff. Did anyone see Chase Daniels play at all? He's also turrible, as Barkely would say.

How are either of those guys that much better than Love?