Tyreek Hill?

[Guiness]

My biggest fear is that MVS is sort of like a Casey Heyward. A guy who flashed it, improved his game, but was hurt. A guy who seems right on the precipice of putting it all together right when we lose him. However, the $10 mil MVS got is a bit stiff. Heyward should have been retained, and MVS at maybe 25% less should have been retained (could we have extended him late last year for 7.5?)

See, this is how I remember CH as well but looking at his Wikipedia page, seems it wasn't so. He was active all 16 games his last two seasons with the Pack, and had his best season his last year with them. His injury was his sophomore season. In fact, his last year with the team

Hayward led all Packers' cornerbacks in tackles and with 908 snaps on defense

I think the coaching staff thought they had up and coming players in Rollins and Randall, that didn't work out.

[call_me_ishmael]

Exactly. They really screwed that one up. What did they let him and Micah Hyde go? It's okay in hindsight but what a bad move at that time. Rollins and Randall were two very bad picks in hindsight. It's rare for the Packers to do so poorly.

[Fritz]

I wonder when Ted picked Rollins if the scouts all looked at each other and said "Whuuut?" Maybe Ted thought it was the seventh round instead of the second.

[bobblehead]

I'm not worried about it.
I think KC might find a few new ways to use him, but in general MLF put him in a role where he could maximize his skills. I think he's maxed out at this point -- he'll turn 28 this season, and he's a speed guy - who aside from that and blocking - doesn't add a lot else. I certainly wouldn't call him a WR1 or a complete receiver, and he still has a long way to go were that to happen (it won't). He is what he is: a one-trick pony with a pretty good trick. Having deep speed at his size does have value for affecting the defense. However, I'm not losing sleep over him taking his 2 rec for 40 yards per game (and a 50% catch rate) with him... I think you can find a cheaper, younger burner in this draft to run his 9 routes and occupy the safety enough to open an underneath route.

Seems like a good dude and I wish him well - good for him getting paid. I'd heard GB offered him something like a 1year deal worth about $7M, so the years and money KC offered were much better. Playing for Andy Reid and with Mahomes couldn't have hurt either.

Heyward was miscast and Capers didn't use him properly IMO which was an issue, and he had injuries. He was a year younger than MVS when he left, although I don't think that's a huge difference. They had drafted Randall and Rollins that year and they teased enough to make Heyward expendable.

MVS is much more than a 1 trick pony at this point. Health is the only real issue. I concede he isn't a #1, but I do think he is a legit #2 at this point. I keep going back to the NFCC against TB where he was the best WR on the field. He ran and caught every route that game and when TB decided to mug Adams and take him away, MVS was the reason we nearly came back. If he is healthy, and playing with Maholmes I think 1k is a lock.

[bobblehead]

I think Micah Hyde was the player who was really miscast. He plays safety now and is really good. The Pack used him as a corner.

But no matter what position, he dropped what would've been a game-clinching interception in a playoff game when he was here. And the Packers went on to lose. So I won't forget that.

And I agree 100%. When Hyde was a rookie I said he was a safety. I could dig up some really old posts to prove it if I were motivated (as I could dig up my hype on Allen Babre so take it with a grain of salt).

[bobblehead]

See, this is how I remember CH as well but looking at his Wikipedia page, seems it wasn't so. He was active all 16 games his last two seasons with the Pack, and had his best season his last year with them. His injury was his sophomore season. In fact, his last year with the team

I think the coaching staff thought they had up and coming players in Rollins and Randall, that didn't work out.

He played, but he wasn't "healthy" and therefor wasn't as good as he could have been. Guys playing through injury tend to get punished even more than guys who don't play through when it comes to FA. Bad tape is remembered and it isn't excused for injury.