Who WILL Gute Draft At #22 and #28 (Pick 2!)

[bobblehead]

no clue

but i have a feeling we only make one pick thursday night

not sure if we trade up or trade down, but i'm thinking 1 pick. someone on the radio yesterday said that there might be some interest from teams try to trade up into the first ahead of the lions to grab a late 1st QB

given our future cap woes, we need all the draft capital we can muster. I won't be upset if Gutes trades back, but I might be a bit miffed if he trades up....so he probably is going to trade up.

[Fritz]

Waller missed a few games last season and has a big contract. Not sure if the Raiders would take a 2nd or not. But it's possible. I would do it for a 2nd. He is a really good player and a great person - at least he comes across that way in interviews.

Which second round pick would they give up for this guy?

And can the team afford another 30 year old who wants a big payday?

I dunno. Keep the pick, I think, and make do until Tonyan comes back.

[texaspackerbacker]

I could see "keep the pick, I think, and make do until Tonyan comes back" too, so it won't bother me if this is all smoke from the damn media and no fire. It would be nice, though, to have a star quality TE like Waller was and should still be. Apparently the deal was agreed to for it to be the higher of the two second rounders (the Raiders pick) at the time of the Adams deal, so presumably it's still that.

[red]

I went Zion and Pickens. Seems like 2 gutes/scheme picks. Zion is really good at cutting off the backside. Something Turner was good at. Something vital for the MiLF system.

i guess theres some massive character concerns with pickens

sounds like he failed his combine interviews with flying colors. not sure if he came off as full on retard, a diva, a douchebag or a moron, but some teams are dropping him completely from their boards because he was so bad

and we all know teams are willing to look past most of those things if the talent is there, so something must be seriously wrong with him

or it could just be all pre combine bullshit

https://www.patspulpit.com/2022/4/25/23041528/nfl-draft-rumors-potential-patriots-draft-target-george-pickens

Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.

WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.

WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.

[Jaire]

No Travis Jones?

Yeah,

The more I think about it, the more I think Wyatt or Jones are the pick at 22 (or 28). If it falls right, I really see them taking an edge and DL ... if it falls of course. Also just been watching a bunch of draft preview today. I don't think the round one WRs are as good a value (in this draft) as the round two.

Or I see them picking DL first then Edge & WR the next two, maybe WR first.

[RashanGary]

We could have 4 quality DL and Id still hope for a DL in the first round. DL is the hardest position to fill and one of the most important positions on the field.

[Upnorth]

Yeah,

The more I think about it, the more I think Wyatt or Jones are the pick at 22 (or 28). If it falls right, I really see them taking an edge and DL ... if it falls of course. Also just been watching a bunch of draft preview today. I don't think the round one WRs are as good a value (in this draft) as the round two.

Or I see them picking DL first then Edge & WR the next two, maybe WR first.

If we get a solid dl and sid edge this d will be ridiculously good. And if we can get an ok s in 3rd or later I will be very confident in our d.
Its amazing what a quaility ilb does (or appears to do) or the whole d unit.

[Jaire]

Polls like this are always always a bit of a conflict between who do you predict versus who would you want. I'll go with Karlaftis and Burks as a prediction, although I'd rather have Watson than Burks.

I really want to like Burks. I just don't see him getting open: and that's in college. Also, his lack of athleticism shows on the field.

[Jaire]

given our future cap woes, we need all the draft capital we can muster. I won't be upset if Gutes trades back, but I might be a bit miffed if he trades up....so he probably is going to trade up.

I don't see too much worth moving up for. whereas the second and third rounds are deep: a good year to trade back and really fill all the cupboards with quality

[Joemailman]

I really want to like Burks. I just don't see him getting open: and that's in college. Also, his lack of athleticism shows on the field.

I agree his route running, at least as it is right now, isn't getting him open a lot. His strength is winning contestable balls and running after the catch. Think Anquan Boldin or Alshon Jeffrey. And you scheme to get him open. That is something MLF's offense can do, but hasn't been done much due to the emphasis on getting the ball to Adams.

[Fritz]

I agree his route running, at least as it is right now, isn't getting him open a lot. His strength is winning contestable balls and running after the catch. Think Anquan Boldin or Alshon Jeffrey. And you scheme to get him open. That is something MLF's offense can do, but hasn't been done much due to the emphasis on getting the ball to Adams.

I think my favorite WR in this class is Olave. He's a very good route runner, seems to have good hands (correct me if I'm wrong), and has speed. What's not to like? But I think he'll be gone by 22.

I want someone with good hands. You can teach route running, but a guy with iffy hands - I've heard this about the ND guy, Watson - well, you can only do so much with that deficit at this level. So I think you could teach Burks to be a better route runner but can you teach Watson to catch that much better?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think my favorite WR in this class is Olave. He's a very good route runner, seems to have good hands (correct me if I'm wrong), and has speed. What's not to like? But I think he'll be gone by 22.

I want someone with good hands. You can teach route running, but a guy with iffy hands - I've heard this about the ND guy, Watson - well, you can only do so much with that deficit at this level. So I think you could teach Burks to be a better route runner but can you teach Watson to catch that much better?

The negatives on Olave would be that he offers little after the catch or on contested catches, and he's not a good blocker (187lbs). People see him being WR2 at the NFL level. Hell, he was WR3 at Ohio State.

Watson doesn't have great hands, but he improved his senior year (2 drops on 58 targets with 43 receptions). Also, he had one of the highest depth of targets in college football. This guy wasn't getting fed bubble screens and crossers to pad his catch rate stats. At least, his hands are better than MVS. His ball tracking much better.

[Fritz]

The negatives on Olave would be that he offers little after the catch or on contested catches, and he's not a good blocker (187lbs). People see him being WR2 at the NFL level. Hell, he was WR3 at Ohio State.

Watson doesn't have great hands, but he improved his senior year (2 drops on 58 targets with 43 receptions). Also, he had one of the highest depth of targets in college football. This guy wasn't getting fed bubble screens and crossers to pad his catch rate stats. At least, his hands are better than MVS. His ball tracking much better.

Well, blocking you can teach. But I defer to you here, as I have not really studied them as you have. My observations are just feelings, while yours are based on actually studying this stuff.

[bobblehead]

i guess theres some massive character concerns with pickens

sounds like he failed his combine interviews with flying colors. not sure if he came off as full on retard, a diva, a douchebag or a moron, but some teams are dropping him completely from their boards because he was so bad

and we all know teams are willing to look past most of those things if the talent is there, so something must be seriously wrong with him

or it could just be all pre combine bullshit

https://www.patspulpit.com/2022/4/25...george-pickens

I noticed these were all anonymous so I don't know how much truth there is to it. A lot of guys are bad mouthing a dude this time of year in hopes they can force his slide to their pick. Pickens was a 5 star recruit and has the size and speed combo GMs covet. It could all be true, but I just don't know. And if Gutes goes big man (DT or OL) with 23 then Pickens at 28 makes too much sense. We'll see. The reason I discount the reports as much as I do is because no one mentions what these "red flags" are exactly. He hasn't punched a woman, been arrested for drugs, suspended from the team. I would like to see what these flags are exactly. But maybe there is truth to it all. We as fans just don't get all the information.

[bobblehead]

Yeah,

The more I think about it, the more I think Wyatt or Jones are the pick at 22 (or 28). If it falls right, I really see them taking an edge and DL ... if it falls of course. Also just been watching a bunch of draft preview today. I don't think the round one WRs are as good a value (in this draft) as the round two.

Or I see them picking DL first then Edge & WR the next two, maybe WR first.

I have looked at the mock drafts and can't believe some don't even have Wyatt in the first round. Seriously? How often do you see an NFL draft with less than 3 DL big men in the 1st. I suspect that Davis is gone when we pick and probably Wyatt also. If either is there, then we need to make that pick.