Is the OL better?

[bobblehead]

Is this A. what you want? B. what you predict? C. somebody else's predictions?

It seems pretty accurate IMO. If it was up to me, which obviously it ain't, I'd keep Jenkins at Guard when he returns, and put either Newman or Rhyan or Nijman at RT, because I consider the interior positions more important than Tackle.

Tex, you have been consistent on this one, but you aren't right. Jenkins is an all pro level tackle and as such you use him there unless you have 2 other ones. Its a lot harder on an offense when a tackle needs help. When you can island both sides with studs you do it and everything else falls into place.

[bobblehead]

It all depends of Bakh. If he's back, the dominoes will all fall into place. If he's not, then it's a patchwork job again.

Not really. The packers are blessed that they have 2 of the top 15 LT in the game. Even more blessed that if both are out you have a guy who was somewhere near the bottom of starting LTs, but still improving. The starting LT will be Bak, Jenkins, Yosh in that order. MiLF was an idiot for not starting Yosh in SF. I don't think he makes that mistake again.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, you have been consistent on this one, but you aren't right. Jenkins is an all pro level tackle and as such you use him there unless you have 2 other ones. Its a lot harder on an offense when a tackle needs help. When you can island both sides with studs you do it and everything else falls into place.

I clearly recall Jenkins not being nearly as effective as a OT compared to what he was at LG. And yeah, you're right in most cases on most teams that it's harder to help out if a OT gets beat. However, my point has been for a long time, that Aaron Rodgers makes the Packers different in that respect. I don't EVER remember - not without Bakhtiari, not with Bakhtiari, not with anybody else at LT - a time that Rodgers did not get a brutal outside pass rush, and the huge percentage of the time, he beats the rush anyway with his mobility. A pass rush right up the middle, on the other hand, is difficult even for Rodgers to deal with. The more important aspect of the O Line, though, with the Packers anyway, is run blocking. The great majority of our success there was inside - excellent blocking by the Guards and Center. That's why I would prefer Jenkins at Guard. We never had much success running outside anyway - not with Jenkins at OT, not with Bakhtiari either.

[Teamcheez1]

I have a firm belief that the Packers have drafted a preponderance of versatile OL because they are not comfortable with Bakhtiaria’s future. I believe they are hoping they can get 1 or 2 years out of him before cutting the cord. If he is not ready to start the season they will have wasted $30M on zero performance since late 2020.

[bobblehead]

I clearly recall Jenkins not being nearly as effective as a OT compared to what he was at LG. And yeah, you're right in most cases on most teams that it's harder to help out if a OT gets beat. However, my point has been for a long time, that Aaron Rodgers makes the Packers different in that respect. I don't EVER remember - not without Bakhtiari, not with Bakhtiari, not with anybody else at LT - a time that Rodgers did not get a brutal outside pass rush, and the huge percentage of the time, he beats the rush anyway with his mobility. A pass rush right up the middle, on the other hand, is difficult even for Rodgers to deal with. The more important aspect of the O Line, though, with the Packers anyway, is run blocking. The great majority of our success there was inside - excellent blocking by the Guards and Center. That's why I would prefer Jenkins at Guard. We never had much success running outside anyway - not with Jenkins at OT, not with Bakhtiari either.

Marshal Newhouse

[ThunderDan]

Sacks given up by year.
2021 - 33
2020 - 21
2019 - 36
2018 - 53
2017 - 51
2016 - 35
2015 - 47
2014 - 30

[texaspackerbacker]

Those numbers seem to say no Bakhtiari, no significant difference.

[Upnorth]

Those numbers seem to say no Bakhtiari, no significant difference.

If those numbers represented sacks given up by LT you would be right. They represent the whole line.
2020 we had a very consistent uninjured ol till the last week and that is shown here.

The fact our line only gave up 33 shows how well gute has done to restock in a Lafluer system.
Speaking of system using pre 2019 vs 2019 til now shows a very different level.of sacks.
Its not just the qb, but the system as well. 12 helps (and hinders) in many ways but system counts. If system doesn't matter then Brady is the best even no question.

Anyone have access to pressure stats over this time period. Sacks dont tell the whole story.

[run pMc]

The analytics folks generally look at sacks as more of a QB stat than an OL stat... the thinking being some QBs hold the ball longer or take more sacks than others to avoid throwing a pick.
I'm not sure I agree: I think QB, OL, scheme, WR talent, and the D faced all play into it.

[RashanGary]

I think Bakh will be back. I dont remember a time in recent history where a knee ended a relatively young guys career. I think hell be ready to roll.

Runyan is solid
Meyers was decent and obviously projects to be a good notch better with a healthy offseason this year and in his second year .
Newman played better in the second half of the season and projects to be improved in year 2.
Nijman is an OK tackle until Jenkins comes back.

Rhyan, Tom and the others push these guys for starting spots.

The OL looks slightly improved from last year and with so much young promising talent, it looks even better down the road if we resign Jenkins.

[bobblehead]

The analytics folks generally look at sacks as more of a QB stat than an OL stat... the thinking being some QBs hold the ball longer or take more sacks than others to avoid throwing a pick.
I'm not sure I agree: I think QB, OL, scheme, WR talent, and the D faced all play into it.

Dan Marino once went 19 consecutive games without being sacked. His OL was decent but they barely ran the ball. His release under pressure was legendary.

[bobblehead]

I think Bakh will be back. I dont remember a time in recent history where a knee ended a relatively young guys career. I think hell be ready to roll.

Derick Sherrod

[Joemailman]

Derick Sherrod

Sherrod broke the tibia and fibula in his right leg. Much worse than a knee. He had to have emergency surgery there in Kansas City because he couldn't be put on a plane as he was.

[bobblehead]

Sherrod broke the tibia and fibula in his right leg. Much worse than a knee. He had to have emergency surgery there in Kansas City because he couldn't be put on a plane as he was.

As far as recoveries go, sherrods injury wasn't any worse than Bak. And the curve is eerily similar. Missed target dates. "clean up" surgeries. Attempt to play and back to rehab. I'm not saying Bak is done, I'm saying we have serious reasons to worry.

[bobblehead]

How about:

Gale Sayers, Terell Davis, I think Billy Sims. Its easy with RBs because we remember them. But a promising OL is lost and no one really notices. There have been guys whose careers have been cut short by knee injuries amongst the OL. Admittedly you expect them to recover in general though....but again, with Bak missing benchmarks and failing in an attempt to come back after a year and now being coddled you have to wonder.