Gute as GM after four drafts

[bobblehead]

The Packers could have and should have been MUCH better all during Ted's time, not just his senile years. If he had handled free agency more like Gutekunst, the team really could have been maximized. but he didn't and it wasn't. One good move with Woodson doesn't make up for being way too cautious and not using the salary cap effectively like Gutekunst does.

If he had fired fat mike and hired a motivated hungry young coach like MiLF I think we would all be hailing TT as the greatest GM ever. Instead he stuck with a guy who was not creative and lost his only edge when the collective bargaining eliminated most off season work.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gutekunst has been GM for what, four years now? And . . . no Super Bowl yet. So I'm not sure how TT being more like the guy who has yet to get the team to a SB would mean more SB's...

Fuck the damn SBs. Look at the record(s).

[Fritz]

Fuck the damn SBs. Look at the record(s).

Well, you do have a point there. Ted's teams were bad, then okay, then really good, then Favre left, then Rodgers's first year was not good, then they got good for a while. I'd say Ted was good from about 2005 - 2012. I think in response to Bobble - they could've gotten rid of McCarthy maybe a year sooner, but Rodgers was hurt.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah. It was ALL about Favre and Rodgers whether it was feast or famine - and it shouldn't have been if Ted had maximized things.

This year, for the first time in forever, I almost think the team could have a solid winning record even if Rodgers got hurt - almost but not quite.

[RashanGary]

Yeah. It was ALL about Favre and Rodgers whether it was feast or famine - and it shouldn't have been if Ted had maximized things.

This year, for the first time in forever, I almost think the team could have a solid winning record even if Rodgers got hurt - almost but not quite.

Gute and TT usually have good OLs. Should be good again. Yeah, might be fine without Rodgers

[Upnorth]

Re reading some of the above my biggest take a ways are

Ted was great at udfa and deep drafting and wr. Not certain I have ever seen any one close at identifing reciever talent.
Gute is great at fa and coaching staff identification. And likely secondary identification depending on savage.

And finally how does anyone consider love a black mark. He is an incomplete mark because no one knows. If he can't start anywhere he is a black mark. If he does and does well he will add to proving gutes ability to see talent. 12 was trendingdown, no one except tex, foresaw 2 MVP awards in his future. In 2 years we will see loves true worth.

[texaspackerbacker]

It really doesn't take much to be a good or great coach if you have Favre or Rodgers leading your team. I'm confident that LaFleur is a better coach already and will end up being a MUCH better coach than anybody Ted or even Wolf hired. So far, the best thing LaFleur has done is subordinate his ego and go with the flow - the Rodgers flow. Gradually, though, we are seeing his own creativity - making Rodgers even better, and maybe eventually providing a decent future after Rodgers is gone - something I previously saw zero hope for.

[bobblehead]

I put Ted above Gute.

Down the stretch Ted wasnt himself but he still got us a ring with his own QB. And the Favre doom and gloom about how wed go back to the 80s never came true.

Gute has us in salary hell and no championship in sight. No new QB. No thanks. Our receivers are Lazard, Cobb and Watkins. Yuck!

If Gutes can continue to execute his drafts we can come out the other side of cap hell pretty quickly now that we didn't lock Adams up and compound the issue. Our young talent: Alexander, Jenkins, Dillon, Gary, Stokes are all very good players. I really loved the picks of Wyatt and Watson and have hope that Quay is what they are thinking he is. The young talent all across the OL is impressive. Guys like Hill and Goodson are nice finds at RB. Can't argue with the outcomes of Campbell and Douglas.

We are in cap hell and will suffer when Bak/Rodgers contracts come full due. We are already paying slightly for some other moves, but this team is stacked and ready to compete. We are soft at the WR/TE weapons and will need another Day one/two pick in that area next year. No ring, but 3 straight 13 win seasons can't be discounted. If Love has a good preseason and looks like he might be a QB then I have to say Gutes crushed it. TT got a ring and evolved to a 2nd HOF QB and Gutes can't say he is better after a few seasons....that will be decided years from now.

[bobblehead]

I consider Ron Wolf to be the best GM I have ever witnessed in Green Bay.

I would give Ted a Slight Edge over Gute overall but purely because he got us a Super Bowl. If Gooters gets one in my book he jumps TT immediately. And truth be told, with the exception of the motherload F'ck up of the Love Machine, I like the way Gute does business way more than TT. If TT was more like Gute I think AROD would have won more than one SB

Wolf had no cap and a motherlode of cash to spend. If he had made it last a bit longer I'd give him more credit. He was good, but he basically bought an Owl.

[bobblehead]

It really doesn't take much to be a good or great coach if you have Favre or Rodgers leading your team. I'm confident that LaFleur is a better coach already and will end up being a MUCH better coach than anybody Ted or even Wolf hired. So far, the best thing LaFleur has done is subordinate his ego and go with the flow - the Rodgers flow. Gradually, though, we are seeing his own creativity - making Rodgers even better, and maybe eventually providing a decent future after Rodgers is gone - something I previously saw zero hope for.

Wolf hired Holmgren who is on a VERY short list of coaches who lead 2 seperate franchises to an Owl. Hell, the list of coaches who lead 2 seperate QBs to an Owl is REALLY small.

Holmgren, for my money, is a top 10 all time coach (and I can only go back to about 1970 due to game changing and what I witnessed).

[texaspackerbacker]

As I have said, Super Bowls are overrated. Holmgren was a good coach, but I just don't see the creativity and overall goodness that I see in LaFleur. Having Favre and Rodgers literally MADE both, though. If Wolf is a great GM, it is for pretty much one reaon, trading for Favre. Was that super smart? Or did he get lucky? Ditto that to an even greater degree with Ted getting Rodgers. It absolutely was luck that Rodgers fell that far. Super smart or just doing the obvious and getting lucky to draft him?

[sharpe1027]

As I have said, Super Bowls are overrated. Holmgren was a good coach, but I just don't see the creativity and overall goodness that I see in LaFleur. Having Favre and Rodgers literally MADE both, though. If Wolf is a great GM, it is for pretty much one reaon, trading for Favre. Was that super smart? Or did he get lucky? Ditto that to an even greater degree with Ted getting Rodgers. It absolutely was luck that Rodgers fell that far. Super smart or just doing the obvious and getting lucky to draft him?

Drafting Rodgers was not luck. The are a defined set of draft rules and each organization is competing for the same resources. You win by making better choices than your opponent over the aggregate and long term. GB beat all the teams that passed by making the right decision.

No luck involved.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yes ....... and the LUCK is that none of the teams drafting earlier saw it that way.

[bobblehead]

As I have said, Super Bowls are overrated. Holmgren was a good coach, but I just don't see the creativity and overall goodness that I see in LaFleur. Having Favre and Rodgers literally MADE both, though. If Wolf is a great GM, it is for pretty much one reaon, trading for Favre. Was that super smart? Or did he get lucky? Ditto that to an even greater degree with Ted getting Rodgers. It absolutely was luck that Rodgers fell that far. Super smart or just doing the obvious and getting lucky to draft him?

Holmgren made it to an Owl with Hasselbeck. Do you have a way to explain that away also?

Edit: And Favre was never the same QB after he stopped playing with Holmgren.

[texaspackerbacker]

I said Holmgren was a good coach. I just don't think he was as good as LaFleur. Making it to the SB with Hasselbeck? They did have a pretty good defense hahahaha.