More Banjo - Packers vs Patriots

[RashanGary]

I kept arguing with the guy sitting in front of me about that fucking play. You could see it clearly on the Jumbo that it was a TD. The guy in front kept arguing it wasn't. WTF???

Two feet and a football move (tucking the ball) is a touchdown. The only exception is when a player is going to the ground in the process of the catch. In that case the player must maintain possession through the fall. It’s a drop by rule. It was called right.

[SudsMcBucky]

Two feet and a football move (tucking the ball) is a touchdown. The only exception is when a player is going to the ground in the process of the catch. In that case the player must maintain possession through the fall. It’s a drop by rule. It was called right.

Well damn. It's so hard to follow what's a catch now a days and what's not.

[bobblehead]

That was the change they made a couple of years ago, as an adjustment of rules about completing the catch through the tackle. Fallout from the Dez non-catch, and other cases where the ball came out after a receiver stretch for the goal line.

Dez catch is a good comp. They adjusted the rule so that would be a catch. This looked very similar. If this wasn't a catch i think we are right back where we started....nobody has a clue what a catch is.

[RashanGary]

From the rule book

A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:

a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled,

c. performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

Notes:

Movement of the ball does not automatically result in loss of control.
If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds
A receiver is considered a player in a defenseless posture throughout the entire process of the catch and until the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent.
If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds.

[RashanGary]

I don’t know, he did tuck the ball away. It should have been a catch.

[run pMc]

I don’t know, he did tuck the ball away. It should have been a catch.

I think you could argue that he tucked it away, but that would be the only thing to qualify for (c) that he did.

The rulebook notes that:
If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds

Article 4 notes that
If there is any question whether a forward pass is complete, intercepted, or incomplete, it is to be ruled incomplete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQxp-A5uvkA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hHqpCbz16Q

I think the Dez non-catch was a tougher call. When you watch both Dez and Romeo you'd think if Dez didn't have control then Romeo definitely didn't. JMHO

[run pMc]

On the bright side: Zappe and Co just stomped the Lions 29-0... so maybe NE is a tougher out than we think.