Official 2023 NFL Draft Thread

[RashanGary]

Packers back to 14th pick.

And that’s about how they look too, isn’t it. Middle of the road.

[bobblehead]

And that’s about how they look too, isn’t it. Middle of the road.

This sums it up. And in conjunction with the idea that if we lose to Miami and have a .8% chance of making the playoffs so Rodgers should still start because we are mathematically not eliminated I call bullshit. Rodgers has all the weapons available now, and a good OL. He still looks pedestrian. We need to see Love in extended action, even if your theory is that Rodgers is the QB next year. It hurts the franchise to NOT put him on the field either for our own benefit, or trade benefit.

[RashanGary]

This sums it up. And in conjunction with the idea that if we lose to Miami and have a .8% chance of making the playoffs so Rodgers should still start because we are mathematically not eliminated I call bullshit. Rodgers has all the weapons available now, and a good OL. He still looks pedestrian. We need to see Love in extended action, even if your theory is that Rodgers is the QB next year. It hurts the franchise to NOT put him on the field either for our own benefit, or trade benefit.

I’m with you on this. If we lose to the Dolphins it makes no sense to keep Love on the sidelines.

[Joemailman]

A Packers loss combined with a Commanders win over Seahawks would eliminate the Packers from the playoffs.

[Fosco33]

In what planet is 11 vs 14th worth not scrapping your way to the playoffs?

If this were Fall of 2010 - I wonder how many here would trade a ring to move up a couple draft spots…

[Joemailman]

In what planet is 11 vs 14th worth not scrapping your way to the playoffs?

If this were Fall of 2010 - I wonder how many here would trade a ring to move up a couple draft spots…

I think it is worth it. But the difference is that in 2010 a lot of people felt that if the Packers could get in the playoffs, they had a defense good enough to make a Super Bowl run. Not sure a lot of people feel that way this year. Now if they can play well against a very good Miami offense, that still might change.

[Fosco33]

“ The data suggest that teams negotiating draft positions assign roughly the same value for picks 12-20 and exponentially higher or lower values for picks near the beginning or end of the round.”

https://www.casino.org/features/nfl-draft/

[run pMc]

“ The data suggest that teams negotiating draft positions assign roughly the same value for picks 12-20 and exponentially higher or lower values for picks near the beginning or end of the round.”

https://www.casino.org/features/nfl-draft/

I believe it. Usually there are numerous tiers of players and by the teens it's unlikely there is a bonafide elite player available. (Yes, you can get lucky and hit on a player.)
By the time you get to 28 teams maybe jockeying to get into the 1st round to get a player eligible for 5th your option. The more years you can control the contract of a young player the better.

It's way too early, but right now I feel like if they just miss the playoffs and end up with the 14th pick or something, they should pull a 2018 and trade down and get more picks. I doubt they will.

I've come around to the belief that GB (Ted/Gute) has a "Don't draft WRs in R1" rule. I think they need to draft another WR unless they bring both Lazard and Cobb back (which is an iffy idea at best). They need to get better at TE also.

[Bretsky]

In what planet is 11 vs 14th worth not scrapping your way to the playoffs?

If this were Fall of 2010 - I wonder how many here would trade a ring to move up a couple draft spots…

You think we're picking 14th if we make the playoffs ?

The dagger was in this season long ago; just not our year; my hope is long gone

[Fosco33]

You think we're picking 14th if we make the playoffs ?

The dagger was in this season long ago; just not our year; my hope is long gone

I don’t care if it’s a top 5 or bottom 5 1st round pick / if you have a 50% shot if you win out - you 100% take it. There’s no tanking in Packer land.

And the 14th vs 11th was the reference to the inane discussion above about current draft order. Ie - we should have lost to the Bears and everyone else and we’d have a top 10 pick.

To pick the likes of Mandarich or Hawk?

[run pMc]

if you have a 50% shot if you win out - you 100% take it. There’s no tanking in Packer land.

Agree. I want them to win, I just don't think they will.

I am skeptical the difference between 11 and 14 in this draft is significant. I could be wrong.

[call_me_ishmael]

So is Elgton going to resign as a tackle, or a guard? Is Bak back next year given how good Tom has looked? Lots of interesting questions on the OL. I'm not sure what they should do next year.

[Bretsky]

Agree. I want them to win, I just don't think they will.

I am skeptical the difference between 11 and 14 in this draft is significant. I could be wrong.

Don't think for a second soft Matty wants to fire his buddy

What if winning out means we keep Barrry ? Embrace the Tank for the greater good

[Bretsky]

I’m with you on this. If we lose to the Dolphins it makes no sense to keep Love on the sidelines.

Do you think our Assistant GM, who has more power than the real GM, will embrace this ?

[run pMc]

I think there's a LOT of external pressure to fire Barry from fans, which teams have ignored in the past.
In Barry's case, there internal pressure as well -- Jaire is freelancing big time, basically doing what he wants. I think some players have tuned him out. The defense has a lot of draft picks and cap spending on the defensive side and they have vastly underperformed (remember whispers of a top 5 defense?), so Gute and Murphy have to have opinions on his performance. I suspect MLF does too, and we know Rodgers does.
MLF won't can Barry until end of season for the optics league wide (who wants to play for a coach who won't even let you coach the full season, and can you in less than 2 years?) as well as the personal connections he has with Barry and other McVay-ites.

In fairness to Barry, there have been times where the defense has played well, and even a few where the scheme or game plan was reasonable but not executed well.
I don't think that's enough to save him, and I don't see how Barry keeps his job unless the defense suddenly start holding teams to < 10 points from here on out. Even then I think it's too late. Name one player besides Rashan Gary who has improved under Barry. His defenses have not been statistically much better than Pettine's.