Official 2023 NFL Draft Thread

[Fritz]

Here is my draft spreadsheet... for anybody that is interested. It would be fun to get other people on board. I feel like Nutz would be great at evaluating OL/DL. Run has great takes, and others that I don't mean to exclude. I don't know if I can do this for every player at every position in the years to come. This has been exhaustive, but I guess that's the benefit of being divorced.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Holy smokes, Harv. That is impressive as all get-out.

I wonder if Guter sneaks onto Packerrats and downloads this thing....

[Sparkey]

Here is my draft spreadsheet... for anybody that is interested. It would be fun to get other people on board. I feel like Nutz would be great at evaluating OL/DL. Run has great takes, and others that I don't mean to exclude. I don't know if I can do this for every player at every position in the years to come. This has been exhaustive, but I guess that's the benefit of being divorced.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Awesome stuff Harvey!

[run pMc]

Here is my draft spreadsheet... for anybody that is interested. It would be fun to get other people on board. I feel like Nutz would be great at evaluating OL/DL. Run has great takes, and others that I don't mean to exclude. I don't know if I can do this for every player at every position in the years to come. This has been exhaustive, but I guess that's the benefit of being divorced.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

As others have said, this is impressive -- nice job!
I've been looking at Tyler Brooke's big board and Paul Noonan's WROPS spreadsheets as well. Interesting to see how things overlap.
Agree with your take on the WRs and how JSN stacks up against last year's. I think they go EDGE or OT in R1. Almost all the highly touted WR prospects are smaller guys and I have trouble seeing them draft a WR under 190 pounds much less 200.
CB is an interesting take -- their secondary is weirdly misshapen with 3 good outside CBs and no good full-time safety. Gute says Rasul is an outside corner, which tells me Stokes is going to take more time to recover.

Van Ness scares me a bit because he wasn't even a starter for Iowa, but he's raw and toolsy and reminds of Gary in that regard. Maybe after Mike Neal and Vince Biegel they've figured out how to develop EDGEs.
Murphy feels like a potential Preston v2.0 pick and I wouldn't mind him but I wonder if he's a better fit as a 4-3 DE.
One guy I've watched a bit that I like is Isaiah Foskey. Has slipped into R2 but I like him.

I'll have to check out Pace. Some of those guys will fall because of size, etc. but at a minimum they can often play feisty right away on special teams.

[HarveyWallbangers]

LB Jeremy Banks, Tennessee vs Purdue is really good tape. He'd probably be a day 2 guy for me without character issues. Apparently, he's a complete turd. He got kicked off the team. They let him back on the team. He had a monster 2021 season with 128 tackles, 11.5 TFLs, 5.5 sacks. I guess he became a problem again this year after Tennessee started losing some games. Late for meetings. Things like that. Hendon Hooker admonished him for it. Banks didn't take kindly to that and go into it with the backup QB.

[Joemailman]

Does Jordan Addison's RAS eliminate him from consideration from Packers?

[run pMc]

Not necessarily. If he plays out of the slot. Slot receivers often have lower RAS scores.
What does eliminate him is his size. He's a tick under 6' and weighs 175 pounds soaking wet. I think if he was190 he'd be talked about as a top 15 pick. Smaller receivers struggle to stay healthy and survive a 17 game season.

[Joemailman]

LB Jeremy Banks, Tennessee vs Purdue is really good tape. He'd probably be a day 2 guy for me without character issues. Apparently, he's a complete turd. He got kicked off the team. They let him back on the team. He had a monster 2021 season with 128 tackles, 11.5 TFLs, 5.5 sacks. I guess he became a problem again this year after Tennessee started losing some games. Late for meetings. Things like that. Hendon Hooker admonished him for it. Banks didn't take kindly to that and go into it with the backup QB.

Packers tend to avoid the Vontaze Burflicts.

[Fritz]

And probably rightly so. Part of why they're so good is that they really have very few boundaries as human beings, so they're just super aggressive and can be effective. But you can't fit within a system being that person, not for too long. Not that the NFL is full of upstanding citizens, but you have to at least be willing to conform to societal expectations in some ways.

[Joemailman]

Packers hosting Georgia Tech EDGE Keion White on a visit. At 285 pounds, he's really big for an EDGE rusher. Harvey has him as a 2-3 round pick. https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com...23/keion-white has him as a mid-2nd round pick, which would fit in very well with where the Packers are picking.

[Fritz]

Keion, Keion likes his money. He makes a lot, they say. Spends his days counting, in a garage, by the motorway.

[Sparkey]

Keion, Keion likes his money. He makes a lot, they say. Spends his days counting, in a garage, by the motorway.

Nice!

[Joemailman]

Northwestern RB Evan Hull visiting with Packers. Excellent pass receiver. Had a great combine. Harvey has him as a 5th round pick. Some project him later.

[run pMc]

Northwestern RB Evan Hull visiting with Packers. Excellent pass receiver. Had a great combine. Harvey has him as a 5th round pick. Some project him later.

Interesting player. Draft consensus board as of today has him at #225, so he'd be a late Day 3 priority UDFA type. Known as a good pass catcher, caught a lot of throws for NW. Also tested pretty well.
Between him and Keaton Mitchell (who also visited - I'd envision him in a Tyler Ervin role) it seems they're looking to find some 3rd down backs to push Tyler Goodson.

[Deputy Nutz]

Lets get Nuts,

1st real mock of the year with lots of trades. I want to accumulate as many top100 picks as possible, in fact I went hard to get as many picks as I could inside the top 75 of this draft.
First trade, you know who goes can't wait to see Rodgers walk out of Green Bay. Packers get both the 42nd and the 43rd pick in this draft with a conditional 1st round pick in 2024 if the Jets make it to the playoffs in 2023. The Packers give the Jets their 2023 3rd and 4th round picks along with Rodgers.

Packers trade pick 15 to the Giants for their 25th overall, Pick 57, and a 1st in 2024.

Packers trade pick 25 to the Eagles for pick #30, and pick #62

Packers with the 30th selection of the 2023 draft take Georgia TE Darnell Washington.
Overall size and athleticism is hard to come by even in the NFL. He was never the first option in the passing game at Georgia but he was the 6th lineman on the field. The Packer hold significant value in a run blocking TE that creates difficult matchups in the run and pass game for opposing defenses. He is a more athletic version of Mercedes Lewis.

Packers with the 42nd selection in the 2023 draft from the NYJs take Kansas St. Defensive End Felix Anudike-Uzomah
Size is prototypical for the Packers for an Edge player. he can operate with his hand in the ground or in a sprinters stance. His Ras score isn't as high as some would like in Green Bay but he has a decent tool box to go with a high motor. He plays the run and pass equally and seems to be assignment sound.

Packers trade the 43rd pick from the Jets and the 149th pick to the Bengals for the 60th and the 92nd picks in this years draft

Packers with the 45th selection in the 2023 draft select Tennessee WR Cedric Tillman
Overall size and athleticism makes this pick a reasonable one for the Packers that fills a need. Now Tillman I would compare to a Davante Adams, almost more athletic but the jumping and footwork is there. Davante monopolized his raw talent and trained himself into a hall of fame receiver. Tillman would have to do the same. He is a huge target that can get up in the air and win contested catches with strong catch radius. He will be asked to do more in the NFL than he did in college.

Packers with the 57th selection from the Giants in the 2023 draft select Oregon St TE Luke Musgrave
athletic as a wide receiver and can stretch the middle of the field. Questionable taking two tight end within the first 3 picks but the Packers have a need and are willing to pay the price to give Love the weapons he will need. This is a long term investment for the Packers, as I don't think he will play as many snaps as Washington because he isn't as polished as a top end blocker at the position.

Packers with the 60th selection from the Bengals in the 2023 draft select NDSU OL Cody Mauch
Spotlighted for being an ugly motherfucker at the Senior Bowl, but yet turning out exceptional one on ones in practice in both the passing and run portion he gain attention as a "small school" breakout. He isn't some burly cement footed blocker as his Ras score of 9.33 makes him elite at 6-5 308 pounds. He could fill a need at guard or tackle.

Packers with the 62nd selection from the Eagles in the 2023 draft select Texas A&M Saf Antonio Johnson
There is a lot to like on film. He can come down and cover the slot, he is an assertive tackler, and can play the deep middle or 1/2 field. The issue with Johnson is he didn't back up his play with a solid combine. a questionable 40 time and vertical leave scouts wondering if he has the physical attributes to match up in the NFL.

Packers with the 92nd selection from the Bengals in the 2023 draft select Ole Miss WR Johnathan Mingo
Greek gods from Ole Miss is becoming a thing and Mingo is the next in line. Injuries sort of plagued him at Mississippi but he is an elite receiver of the football with excellent hands and catch radius. His Ras of 9.88 will be like the bat signal for the Packers to draft him.

Packers with the 170th selection of the 2023 draft select Iowa DB Riley Moss
Elite size and athleticism make this pick for the Packers a no brainer. Moss who played CB at Iowa should have the capabilities to slide over to safety if need be. He will have to demonstrate that some of his INTs were not just luck but because he knows where to be because of being a film rat. He should have excellent ability to break on routes based on his footwork and foot speed.

Packers with the 232nd selection of the 2023 draft select Houston DB Gervarrius Owens
Pro size, with a Ras of 9.22 that draws the Packers in like a moth to a flame Owens will be brought in to compete for a roster spot if nothing else. He needs to show up on special teams if he intends to make this roster out of the gate. We all hope for a diamond in the rough, but the reality is they need to make a dent on special teams first.

Packers with the 235 selection of the 2023 draft take Wisconsin LB Nick Herbig
I know what I saw the last three years and his production is not that of a 7th rounder. He hit the 240 pound mark at the combine, but it didn't exactly help his numbers and he came out with an average Ras score of 7.76. Herbig has an excellent motor and his first step is amazing. He was one of the top 5 pass rushers in college. Its not that he can't play like a typical outside linebacker and drop into coverage and cover backs out the backfield, its that he was such a dynamic pass rushers you would have been a fool to not send him.

Packers with the 242nd selection of the 2023 draft take Alabama DL Byron Young
Can't really go wrong with an Alabama defensive lineman and the Packers need depth along their core. He has some good strength and body awareness and can hold the point of attack pretty darn good. Also, not sure if he is a 7th rounder because defensive linemen still have a premium in the NFL draft

Packers with the 256 selection of the 2023 draft take Marland OL Spencer Anderson
Don't really know much about him other than he has size and has a Ras score of 9.35 and the Packers can't get enough of high end Ras scores.

[run pMc]

Fun stuff Nutz. I played around in the PFF mock simulator and the Consensus draft boards mock simulator. The Consensus one is bonkers - trades all over the place. I did one where I ended up moving around so much I think I ended up with like 13 picks plus another 2 or 3 in 2024. I don't think it's super realistic for a few reasons - i've run it a number of times and players like Levis or Will Anderson fall to 15. I have trouble with that as a most likely scenario.

FWIW, I like Byron Young out of Alabama as a depth DL. He shows up on film and looks like he could give some quality snaps in relief early. I think he's more of a R4-5 guy than R7 though. Won't comment on the other players as sometimes it's who's there.
Haven't really watched Riley Moss, will have to check him out. I could see them taking a CB and converting them to S, although that implies it would be mid-season before they'd really be ready to play.

I also agree with the idea of getting as many top 100 picks as possible, even if that means trading down with the 15th pick a couple of times. I don't think there's a substantial difference in the talent at 15 vs. 25 in this draft, bouncing twice from 15 to 21 to 28 or so could yield a couple of extra picks inside the top 100 that could get you a decent player.