Official 2023 NFL Draft Thread

[run pMc]

On that note, which first-round selection would make you feel a little sick to your stomach?

I can think of several, especially if they're picking at 15 (or higher).

- The Brians (Bresee, Branch)
- Keion White
- a QB. TE or RB

[Deputy Nutz]

Unless one of the top 3 edges dropped I don't see it as a viable 1st round need. I don't think we need a 1st round defensive tackle, or a cornerback. I think the Packers need a safety but Branch isn't what I would consider a top half of the first round talent. I think their are two or three TEs that have first round grades in my book, but I personally wouldn't take any of them with the 15th pick. Offensive Tackle is another direction where there would be value at the 15th pick especially if the top 2 (JSN and Quentin Johnson) were already gone.

I feel like everyone in this draft seems to be a reach at 15. Especially based on positional needs of the Packers.

[Joemailman]

Unless one of the top 3 edges dropped I don't see it as a viable 1st round need. I don't think we need a 1st round defensive tackle, or a cornerback. I think the Packers need a safety but Branch isn't what I would consider a top half of the first round talent. I think their are two or three TEs that have first round grades in my book, but I personally wouldn't take any of them with the 15th pick. Offensive Tackle is another direction where there would be value at the 15th pick especially if the top 2 (JSN and Quentin Johnson) were already gone.

I feel like everyone in this draft seems to be a reach at 15. Especially based on positional needs of the Packers.

If everyone at 15 is a reach, do you trade up or trade down to avoid reaching?

[run pMc]

IF you are the Packers, and the Giants offered you the 25th pick in the draft, the 57th pick, and a third round next year, would you take that trade?
I would. This draft doesn't have home runs after the top 10 picks, even those are sketchy. The Packers have to get a better overall talent level on their roster and I think the more 2nd and 3rd round picks you can get the better. There seems like a blurry line between for sure 1st rounders and possible 2nd and 3rd rounders in 2023

Yes.

Also, I am sort of locked on Jack Campbell for some reason, mostly its his size and athleticism to where I think you could keep him on the field in different roles all three downs. Our Current Campbell could just be replaced by a bigger more athletic Campbell.

I think he's good, and would make an good pairing with Quay or Devondre, or even if they did some kind of 3 LB look. He checks most of the boxes for what you want in an ILB and would be a problem for QB dropping into zones at 6-5. He's the top ILB on the board IMO. Drew Sanders is interesting but he misses too many tackles -- GB has enough of those guys -- and is more of a ILB/OLB tweener. Trenton Simpson is ok, but he looks much smaller than Campbell and I just like Jack better.

Either way, would be very surprised if they took another ILB high after Quay unless they have concerns about him (I don't think they do), and Devondre's contract keeps him here for at least this season.

Didn't think much of Grant Dubose at first, watched him a couple of times and he's grown on me. Could be a sneaky good late Day 3 pickup if he lasts.

[run pMc]

If everyone at 15 is a reach, do you trade up or trade down to avoid reaching?

I'd love to trade down to get a decent late R1 player and pick up an extra Day 2 pick. I think EDGE is a need; Gary was a big part of their pass rush and he won't be the same for most of the year as he comes back from an ACL.
I think Preston/Enagbare are ok, but are they consistently good enough as pass rushers? Enagbare is a good #3 Edge, Preston is on the backside of 30 and your depth after them is not good. Seems like a good opportunity to find the replacement for Preston, tbh.

All that said, I think there is a lot of EDGE depth in the draft so they don't have to pick one in R1, but I do think they should take one at some point. The best ED's are usually found early in the draft but I could see them take one in R2-4 if there's a guy who falls like Enagbare did last year.

[Deputy Nutz]

If everyone at 15 is a reach, do you trade up or trade down to avoid reaching?

Right now I would trade down, not a lot would entice me to move up. Packers have a lot of roles and holes to fill, not one high first round pick is going to put this team over.

[run pMc]

Right now I would trade down, not a lot would entice me to move up. Packers have a lot of roles and holes to fill, not one high first round pick is going to put this team over.

100% Agree. I think you want to move around as much as possible to get as many top 100 picks as you can. There's not a lot of top-end talent, but there is ample Day2-level talent, and GB has multiple roster spots in need of help.

[Fritz]

I would make that trade with the Giants, for the reasons Nutz stated - this team needs an infusion of talent, first, and secondly this draft doesn't seem to have a lot of home-run type of guys, from what (little) I've read. So get an extra second rounder, get an extra third for next year when the draft looks to be deeper, and when you get to next year's draft, just make sure you trade that third away (I don't care if you do it to move up or down) so you don't screw up the pick.

[run pMc]

I would make that trade with the Giants, for the reasons Nutz stated - this team needs an infusion of talent, first, and secondly this draft doesn't seem to have a lot of home-run type of guys, from what (little) I've read. So get an extra second rounder, get an extra third for next year when the draft looks to be deeper, and when you get to next year's draft, just make sure you trade that third away (I don't care if you do it to move up or down) so you don't screw up the pick.

Yes. Two 3rds for a 2nd, or trade your 3rds for a boatload of 4ths lol
Until they draft a R3 player who pans out, it's a cursed round.

[Fritz]

Morgan Burnett in 2010 was the last really good third round pick the Packers had, as far as I can tell.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It feels good when somebody you identified as being undervalued starts rising late in the draft process. I feel like I did a better job this year than most years--probably because I've actually had the time to watch film on all of the Shrine Game, Senior Bowl, and Scouting Combine players.

QB Clayton Tune - Projected as late round/UDFA. Getting some minor buzz. Some think he could go relatively early on day 3 now. Opinions seem to vary a lot on him.
RB Roschon Johnson - Projected outside the top 10 at RB. He is the consensus #8 RB now.
FB/TE/RB Hunter Luepke - He's been injured, so his stock hasn't done much.
WR Jonathan Mingo - Projected as a 4th round guy. There is talk that he could go relatively early on day 2 now.
WR Grant DuBose - Projected as late round/UDFA. Renner is talking about him as his favorite day 3 sleeper now.
WR Matt Landers - Projected as late round/UDFA. There is talk of him going in rounds 4-5 now.
TE Luke Schoonmaker - His stock has stayed about the same, but I feel like he's risen closer to Kraft and the top 6--whereas before he was considered the start of the next tier.
OT/OG Peter Skoronski - His stock is the same.
OT Nick Saldiveri - His stock is the same, but I feel like he's going to go higher than you think.
OT Earl Bostick - I haven't really heard anything about him.
IOL Ricky Stromberg - Projected as around the 20th IOL. He is the consensus #14 IOL now. I think he might even go higher than that.
IOL Jon Gaines - Projected as late round/UDFA. He is projected to go in 4th-5th round guy now.
IOL Braeden Daniels - I haven't really heard anything about him.
DT Mazi Smith - His stock is about the same, but I'm hearing more talk of him going late round 1.
DT Keeanu Benton - His stock has risen a bit. He could go very early on day 2 now.
LB Jack Campbell - His stock is about the same. I was kind of late to the party on him. I jumped on when he tested well at the combine. His film was already pretty good.
LB Isaiah Moore - I haven't really heard anything about him.
CB D.J. Turner - Projected as 3rd/4th round prospect. I was on his bandwagon before the combine. People are talking early day 2 now--since his 4.26 40 at the combine.
S Jason Taylor - Projected as a UDFA. I've seen him ranked as high as S #10 and S #12 on two boards. He could go in the middle of day 3 now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's annoying to see beat writers continously talking about how certain NFL teams select high RAS score players. I think most team's fans think this about their own team. Thing is: most of the prospects get high end RAS scores now.

* Out of the 24 RBs who did most of the tests 15 had a RAS score of 7.50 or higher, so over 60% of the RBs are in the top 25% percentile of testing.
* 10 of the top 11 TEs tested, nine of those 10 had an 8 or higher RAS score (only Michael Mayer at 7.10 was lower).
* 13 of the top 17 OTs tested, 12 of those 13 had an 8 or higher RAS score (only Anton Harrison at 7.40 was lower).
* Three of the top IOL were lower than 8, but between 6 and 8. The next 7 guys all had a RAS score higher than 8. One other guy, Joe Tippmann, would have been higher than 8 if he tested.

I could go, but you get the point. Safety seems like the only position group where RAS scores were mediocre this year.

[run pMc]

The other thing about RAS is that you can do just the drills you're good at, skip the drills you suck at, and get a high RAS score but really it's only a partial RAS profile.
I think Kent Lee Platte needs to put an asterisk or something on partial RAS profiles. The scores end up looking skewed to me otherwise.

A nice 40 time is nice, but agility drills often get skipped and for many positions those are more important.

[RashanGary]

It's annoying to see beat writers continously talking about how certain NFL teams select high RAS score players. I think most team's fans think this about their own team. Thing is: most of the prospects get high end RAS scores now.

* Out of the 24 RBs who did most of the tests 15 had a RAS score of 7.50 or higher, so over 60% of the RBs are in the top 25% percentile of testing.
* 10 of the top 11 TEs tested, nine of those 10 had an 8 or higher RAS score (only Michael Mayer at 7.10 was lower).
* 13 of the top 17 OTs tested, 12 of those 13 had an 8 or higher RAS score (only Anton Harrison at 7.40 was lower).
* Three of the top IOL were lower than 8, but between 6 and 8. The next 7 guys all had a RAS score higher than 8. One other guy, Joe Tippmann, would have been higher than 8 if he tested.

I could go, but you get the point. Safety seems like the only position group where RAS scores were mediocre this year.

Maybe training has gotten better for these specific drills over the years. But RAS is relative to the whole so if guys are doing better consistently, that would make the relative part go up over time and you wouldn’t see guys consistently beating it anymore unless they keep making improvements in preparation, but you’d think there’s a limit to that.

[Deputy Nutz]

Also, people forget that size of the athlete is a major factor in the RAS score. There seems to be some very diminutive receivers in this draft with RAS scores under 8.5. There are nothing particularly glaring about their times or scores, just compared to their actual size their RAS score is low.