Official 2023 NFL Draft Thread

[Deputy Nutz]

The deeper I dive into this draft the more I like the middle rounds. For one, grades and rankings are all over the place. secondly I think there is mid tier talent that teams can attack by simply trading back in this draft. If the Jets refuse to give up their first round pick for Rodgers, which I don't blame them for, then The Packers should try to get at least one of their 2nd round picks, go after their 4th round pick and switch out a bunch of picks with them this year, maybe try to pry away a second rounder next year as well. I am not sure if the Packers plan on clearing up this mess before the draft or not, which is a terrible mistake by the way.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Maybe training has gotten better for these specific drills over the years. But RAS is relative to the whole so if guys are doing better consistently, that would make the relative part go up over time and you wouldn’t see guys consistently beating it anymore unless they keep making improvements in preparation, but you’d think there’s a limit to that.

RAS is a historical measurement, so you’ll only see incremental differences—until today’s bigger, more athletic players are a bigger percentage of the pool. Until then, most are going to get high RAS scores. They should do a RAS comparing the athletes to each other in any given year. I’d like to see that.

[Joemailman]

Peter Bukowski
@Peter_Bukowski

Friday news dump take: If Jack Campbell hadn't done athletic testing, he'd be a middle round pick.

The tape does not match the athletic profile at all.

What do you think Harvey?

[run pMc]

I'll be curious to see what Harvey says, but I think that while he's not uber-athletic he's got range to the sideline. I think he's athletic and instinctive enough to be a solid pro. He's not Luke Kuechley but he looks like a guy you could pick up on Day 2 and plug him into the lineup for 8-10 years. Side note: Peter Bukowski has a lot of hot takes, and many of them are bad IMO. To me, he's borderline clickbait.

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One guy I'm just getting around to watching is Josh Whyle. GB brought him in for a visit and he's... better than I was expecting. I thought he'd be some late round schmuck, but I could see him as the Tonyan replacement. He's still a Day 3 guy but I wouldn't be mad if they drafted him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn’t love Campbell, but I like him. I liked Quay more. Henley might be the most impressive LB, but he’s 225 pounds. I think the Packers still prefer longer, bigger LBs.

I actually liked Whyle quite a bit. Close to Schoonmaker, but his combine measurements were not to my liking. I think he measured 6’7” 248. Hopefully, he played at a higher weight. I have him as the clear #8 TE.

[Fritz]

I didn’t love Campbell, but I like him. I liked Quay more. Henley might be the most impressive LB, but he’s 225 pounds. I think the Packers still prefer longer, bigger LBs.

I actually liked Whyle quite a bit. Close to Schoonmaker, but his combine measurements were not to my liking. I think he measured 6’7” 248. Hopefully, he played at a higher weight. I have him as the clear #8 TE.

Good article in ACME on what the Packers' draft strategy might look like. It's based upon the players they had visit, and when those players are projected to be drafted.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/4/21/23693439/2023-nfl-draft-green-bay-packers-visits-draft-day-strategy-tight-end-safety-edge-rusher

[RashanGary]

RAS is a historical measurement, so you’ll only see incremental differences—until today’s bigger, more athletic players are a bigger percentage of the pool. Until then, most are going to get high RAS scores. They should do a RAS comparing the athletes to each other in any given year. I’d like to see that.

Id like to see RAS 1 year, 5 year, 10 year, splits of various decades, and all time.

[red]

is TE really that deep this year

according to one of my favorite sites that i've followed for years, it looks pretty weak

https://draftace.com/2023-tight-ends/

he only has 2 in this draft with high end potential, then a handful of guys with average starter potential, then a bunch of shit

he has like 5 TEs worth drafting

[run pMc]

Yes, it's that deep.
Last year Trey McBride was the top TE taken at #55. This year 3-4 TE will likely be taken by the 55th pick.
(Mayer, Kincaid, Washington, maybe La Porta)

McBride got a 8.13 RAS, there are several TEs with better scores and pedigrees. Talent pool is much deeper.
Last year 19 TE's got drafted, how many did this draft site think were draftable then?

FWIW Safety is much worse this year than last year.

On another note, GB hasn't even had average starters at TE for most of the last decade, getting that would be an improvement.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I really like McBride last year. I think he belongs with this top group, but he was head and shoulders above everybody else last year. This year, you can go all the way down to Schoonmaker to find guys better than last year’s group after McBride.

[RashanGary]

RAS is a historical measurement, so you’ll only see incremental differences—until today’s bigger, more athletic players are a bigger percentage of the pool. Until then, most are going to get high RAS scores. They should do a RAS comparing the athletes to each other in any given year. I’d like to see that.

As much work as he put in compiling the data, I would think it would be a short step to tag the data in a way that you could separate our older data and make scores custom to timeframes. Just go back through the data and make a new column for date and then make new searches that weed out by date. The guy is kind of a cult hero among draft niks. He should up his game.

[run pMc]

As much work as he put in compiling the data, I would think it would be a short step to tag the data in a way that you could separate our older data and make scores custom to timeframes. Just go back through the data and make a new column for date and then make new searches that weed out by date. The guy is kind of a cult hero among draft niks. He should up his game.

He has a website where you can do some RAS comparisons and dig thru old RAS cards. Have you seen that?

https://ras.football/

I think the scores are custom to timeframe, they are the scores as of and up to that year- a player considered an elite athlete 10 years ago might be above average now. Am I misunderstanding you?

[run pMc]

Would Packers fandom completely meltdown if they drafted Bijon Robinson?

[Joemailman]

Would Packers fandom completely meltdown if they drafted Bijon Robinson?

Maybe not to the level of the Love or Gary picks. But yes, there would be a negative reaction.

[bobblehead]

Would Packers fandom completely meltdown if they drafted Bijon Robinson?

Not if they followed it up with an announcement that they traded Jones for a 2nd.