Hypocrisy and Redemption

[packrulz]

It was a first offense for Tyrone Williams, and from what I remember he didn't fire at anybody. He fired at the trunk of a car, but I've never read where people's lives were seriously in danger.

This has gone from the merits of the Packers signing Robinson--which is fair enough. To try to make people feel bad because we didn't feel like the Packers should be the team to give Robinson his FOURTH (yes, his FOURTH) chance is ludicrous. Many of us that opposed this move might have been for it--if this was his first, second, maybe even third chance.

I hear SOD (Onterrio Smith) is looking for work after his yearlong suspension. Maybe we can sign him too. He's a pretty good RB.

Yes, I suppose if he just hit the trunk and not the gas tank directly below it, it was a "safe" shooting.

[GrnBay007]

Excellent post AV David......and welcome to PackerRats!

[Scott Campbell]

I hear SOD (Onterrio Smith) is looking for work after his yearlong suspension. Maybe we can sign him too. He's a pretty good RB.

What is it with our backfield? We go from the Dump Truck to the Whiz Kid.

[potsdam_11]

Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

but we're hiring him to run down a football field with a bunch of guys and catch passes. You don't have to have a great driving record to do that.

I thought we were hiring him to make our team competitive, win games, and appear weekly on TV as a role model for our children.

Those children will be able to see that you can break all the rules, break the law, and still make half a million dollars a year... Yippee

If, as reported, he comes to practice half in the bag, he is not reporting in Top Physical Condition, which is generally required to be competitive in the NFL... You cannot drink heavily on a daily basis and perform at a high level.

So yes, his drinking is still an issue....

I'd be curious to hear what the sober players think of all this....

He's here, .. he's a Packer..... he'd best show his gratitude.... everyday.

[Scott Campbell]

Excellent post AV David......and welcome to PackerRats!

Where are my manners? Welcome AV David!

And it is a thought provoking post. Lots of opinions.

[potsdam_11]

Excellent post AV David......and welcome to PackerRats!

Where are my manners? Welcome AV David!

Hell, you never welcomed me... Scotty..

Why start now..

[Scott Campbell]

Hell, you never welcomed me... Scotty..

The hell I did not. You got welcomed with a patented Scott Campbell kick in the nuts.



Good you see you!

[potsdam_11]

Hell, you never welcomed me... Scotty..

The hell I did not. You got welcomed with a patented Scott Campbell kick in the nuts.



Good you see you!

Ahh, so that explains the look of anguish in my avatar...

Good you see you too....

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yes, I suppose if he just hit the trunk and not the gas tank directly below it, it was a "safe" shooting.

What about the fact it was the first offense for Tyrone Williams, but Robinson has 3 strikes against him?

[MadtownPacker]

Yes, I suppose if he just hit the trunk and not the gas tank directly below it, it was a "safe" shooting.

What about the fact it was the first offense for Tyrone Williams, but Robinson has 3 strikes against him?

In CA legal "strikes" are suupose to be violent felonies. Busting caps aint exactly non-violent. DUIs aint strikes.

He is on the team, this is surely his last chance. TT gave it to him, TT will look bad if he fails. I say we back the Pack to the fullest and if KR screws up everyone will turn their backs on him just like Rastak did. Its only human nature. But if he goes and returns one for a TD this weekend will anyone change their mind?

BTW - Great post AV Dave!! Welcome to PR.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I agree with about every you said AV, Welcome.

[Tarlam!]

I hear SOD (Onterrio Smith) is looking for work after his yearlong suspension. Maybe we can sign him too. He's a pretty good RB.

Is he any good without steroids, though, Harv? Seems to me, nobody knows...

Like Sammie Sosa without a corked bat!

[woodbuck27]

It was a first offense for Tyrone Williams, and from what I remember he didn't fire at anybody. He fired at the trunk of a car, but I've never read where people's lives were seriously in danger.

This has gone from the merits of the Packers signing Robinson--which is fair enough. To try to make people feel bad because we didn't feel like the Packers should be the team to give Robinson his FOURTH (yes, his FOURTH) chance is ludicrous. Many of us that opposed this move might have been for it--if this was his first, second, maybe even third chance.

I hear SOD (Onterrio Smith) is looking for work after his yearlong suspension. Maybe we can sign him too. He's a pretty good RB.

Yaaa..but can TT then make a submission to change OUR Name to...

" the Green Bay Raiders "? We're BAD !!

TT should NOT have brought KR in for the simple reason that KR is sick.

If TT wanted to toss $$ at KR who am I to judge that. Noone here has "in fact" any proper right to judge Koren Robinson.

We have one right and that's to ensure he can't inflict pain on us as Packer fans ..on Green Bay or elsewhere while representing the Green Bay Packers.

There... is where all of this falls on Ted Thompsons head.,Will Koren Robinson re-offend isn't the question or concern.

The fact remains, that he may and that had to be covered by Ted Thompson in not employing Koren Robinson untill he was cleared via attending a voluntary... Alcohol Treatment Center

certainly not be brought to Green Bay to start off playing football. That is just plain n'simple WRONG. Is that confusing to some here?

Ted Thompson is . . .well Ted... for expecting KR to play football for us, as soon as tomorrow. Maybe next season? Not this.

Ted needed to support KR (the man - the person, not football player) only , to get proper help... and from there assess employing Koren Robinson as a football player as a secondary consideration.

This move by TT is absolutely support for what Ive been trying to explain to posters here about Ted Thompson.

Ted Thompson is unreal...a brick short of a load..flawed...out to lunch..not at all what you seem to beg to hope he is...

Come On !!

Ted Thompson demonstrates his strong ethical and moral apptitude here Packer fans. . .NOT !!!!!!

[Terry]

Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

That was a very good post, AV David. Thank you.

It has been my experience that if someone tells you more than 2 times that they are a really good christian, they probably are not. It has been my experience that when someone tells you how honest they are, more than twice, then you need to firm up the grip on your wallet.

Well, you're in good company. Diagnosis from the standpoint of Traditional Chinese Acupuncture would say pretty much the same thing. Generally speaking, if people talk about a thing disproportionately, it often reflects a lacking of that quality in their hearts or spirits.

Regarding driving under the influence, you're absolutely right. I did it regularly in my 20's. Maybe I'm lucky I never had an accident. I did have one incident in which I nearly hit someone, and that changed me forever - not to stop drinking and driving, but to consciously compensate for drinking when driving by driving more slowly than I would sober, which I did forever after. In those days, DUI was not a big societal issue. Of course, in those days, no one wore seatbelts either.

Passing on someone like that as many of us have suggested is purely a function of risk management. AVDavid suggests that our position is some kind of judgemental social commentary.

I don't think AV David is talking about those concerned with risk management. I think Christl falls into the latter category of your comment.

[MadtownPacker]

Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

Maybe I'm lucky I never had an accident. I did have one incident in which I nearly hit someone, and that changed me forever - not to stop drinking and driving, but to consciously compensate for drinking when driving by driving more slowly than I would sober, which I did forever after. In those days, DUI was not a big societal issue. Of course, in those days, no one wore seatbelts either.

Wait a minute!! You are saying that you still drink and drive but make up for it by driving slower?