CALL OUT THE BLAME TIME

[Bretsky]

Pollster is striking again. There is a boatload of blame to go around. But who is most to blame for the Packers Crap Start here ?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I vote German Shepherd.

Seemed like Ted Thompson used to draft a WR in the 2nd round every year. German Shepherd’s refusal to address the WR position til it’s too late is fucking up Butte’s fragile rhythm. It’s a QB-plagued league. If the QB sucks, normally, the whole team sucks. German Shepherd shoulda drafted DK Metcalf and that Redcoats WR, McLauren or something, when he had the chance.

[Jaire]

I just posted on Gute's failure in another thread. I forgot to mention he extended Bakh too early. At the time, I was very concerned about Bakh's health.

But it's Gute, then ...... we'll see about MLF, but that line is so fragile right now: and that's 100% on Gute. It didn't begin this year, but with all that draft capital and knowing you need to get a starter out of this draft: he got cute and went ILB with the first pick. Nothing against Quay, and you can even take Quay if you drafted a WR in 2020 like you SHOULD and COULD have, half dozen ways.

Edit: Just to be very clear: the only position in the 2020 draft was WR. Gute could have packaged a one, two, and four and got Jefferson (and still got Dillon in the third). Or stayed put and taken Tee Higgens or Sutton. Move down, get Clayton. But the draft busts go deep. 12 busts in rounds two and three since Adams, and of them all the only real great pick (not including this year) was Jenkins. It's really bad. I give TT a pass when he should have been retired. And that's not the whole: it's just this crazy upside down, none prioritized drafting. And I can't give credit for a good draft this year because it was the deepest draft in twenty years and he just wasted capital and did not get a starting offensive line man.

[NewsBruin]

I really wanted to pick #12, but he's just one dude, and the front office should have been prepared that a few losses would turn him into a moody teenager.

[call_me_ishmael]

All of the above. Matty is running a boring ass offense. I'm not sure who Joe is. Gooter done fucked up with some of these extensions, although I disagree that Bak extension looked bad at the time. I dunno what the alternative was to paying Rodgers. Offense looks different if there #1 receiver (the kid they drafted) is healthy. You gotta pay Jaire, but he's gotta play better. Maybe not #1 overall CB money coming off of season ending injury. Is he the same guy?

I'd like to see them get a better DC next off-season. Chicago old guy.

I think promoting the OL coach was to keep him obviously, but maybe that wasn't the right move for the team and he should focus more on the OL instead of offense as a whole.

[Fosco33]

2 losses - one by 2 and a shitty overturned TD - the other by 5 in a weird London game against a Giants team that isn’t all that bad.

Chill.

We’ll make the playoffs and maybe a run. WRs need to get healthy and maybe we go find one in FA. Offensive Line - same.

I do agree play calling on short yardage is suspect. And we aren’t in sync.

[bobblehead]

Health of the OLine. /thread

[bobblehead]

I just posted on Gute's failure in another thread. I forgot to mention he extended Bakh too early. At the time, I was very concerned about Bakh's health.

Why in God's name were you concerned about Baks health when he had just turned 29 and missed a total of 6 games in 10+ years dating back to college?? Are you just that prescient?? I think you were either dumb lucky or you are rewriting history just a bit.

To top it off they didn't "extend" him until halfway through the final year of his deal. If they had forced him to wait til the season was over and he DIDN'T get hurt they would have had to compete with 31 other teams.

[bobblehead]

As for all the people who are still crying about Jordan Love I would point out for the 2nd time that the Aaron Rodgers we are watching RIGHT NOW looks very similar to the guy who played the 2-3 seasons immediately PRECEDING the Love pick.

So if you think Rodgers isn't playing well and is finished, but you also claim the Love pick was the worst mistake in the history of mistakes then you need to think about the logic.

[Jaire]

Why in God's name were you concerned about Baks health when he had just turned 29 and missed a total of 6 games in 10+ years dating back to college?? Are you just that prescient?? I think you were either dumb lucky or you are rewriting history just a bit.

To top it off they didn't "extend" him until halfway through the final year of his deal. If they had forced him to wait til the season was over and he DIDN'T get hurt they would have had to compete with 31 other teams.

You tag him or get a deal done post season. He was 30 at game three of his new contract; he's a bit undersized; and I was looking at ALL the tackles we had in GB and what year they started breaking down as starters. Also how we dealt with other OL, and when we let them go: and what happened immediately after. Gotta wait on that one. It ain't even hard to figure.

As to 2020, that draft was a joke. Use a two to move up and get Jefferson, or stay and grab Tee Higgins. You don't draft a starting RT or a WR for seven years but waste a draft on a QB, #3RB, and an HB (1,2,3). joke. GB has 12 duds as their 2&3 picks since Adams; only great pick is Jenkins. Not only don't you have a draft philsophy, you can't evaluate talent. And your replaying fake history about the back to back MVP, as if this complete mess of an offense is his fault. Gute decided to get cute again and draft an ILB instead of get a legit starting RT: that's five years he's known that he needs to fill that. absurd.

[Bretsky]

As for all the people who are still crying about Jordan Love I would point out for the 2nd time that the Aaron Rodgers we are watching RIGHT NOW looks very similar to the guy who played the 2-3 seasons immediately PRECEDING the Love pick.

So if you think Rodgers isn't playing well and is finished, but you also claim the Love pick was the worst mistake in the history of mistakes then you need to think about the logic.

What is the common theme for that bad year of AROD, and this....bad year for AROD ?

[Bretsky]

You tag him or get a deal done post season. He was 30 at game three of his new contract; he's a bit undersized; and I was looking at ALL the tackles we had in GB and what year they started breaking down as starters. Also how we dealt with other OL, and when we let them go: and what happened immediately after. Gotta wait on that one. It ain't even hard to figure.

As to 2020, that draft was a joke. Use a two to move up and get Jefferson, or stay and grab Tee Higgins. You don't draft a starting RT or a WR for seven years but waste a draft on a QB, #3RB, and an HB (1,2,3). joke. GB has 12 duds as their 2&3 picks since Adams; only great pick is Jenkins. Not only don't you have a draft philsophy, you can't evaluate talent. And your replaying fake history about the back to back MVP, as if this complete mess of an offense is his fault. Gute decided to get cute again and draft an ILB instead of get a legit starting RT: that's five years he's known that he needs to fill that. absurd.

A packer media head (I think it was actually Tausch) noted that one of the view TT often embraced was only giving an OL one big extension. I agree you tag him. i was happy we kept the player but I didn't like the fiscals of that deal.

[texaspackerbacker]

I haven't disagreed with some of what Gutekunst has done, but his teams have been up around 13 wins for several seasons, and he did hire LaFleur. I don't think he gets the primary blame.

Rodgers gets blame in proportion to the credit he gets for the previous great seasons - as well as for whatever bounceback we have this year. He's been a little bit worse, but even with that, he's been way above average as NFL QBs go. The ingrates pissing on Rodgers are gonna really get a wake up when at some point, we no longer have him and the team is really in the toilet - hopefully many years from now.

LaFleur may be hitting a new floor, but that floor is higher than just about any other coach's ceiling.

Barry has all the talent any DC could ever hope to have. Yet his teams have been mediocre or worse. And his ability to adjust in-game has been horrible. He gets my vote for primary blame.

[beveaux1]

I haven't disagreed with some of what Gutekunst has done, but his teams have been up around 13 wins for several seasons, and he did hire LaFleur. I don't think he gets the primary blame.

Rodgers gets blame in proportion to the credit he gets for the previous great seasons - as well as for whatever bounceback we have this year. He's been a little bit worse, but even with that, he's been way above average as NFL QBs go. The ingrates pissing on Rodgers are gonna really get a wake up when at some point, we no longer have him and the team is really in the toilet - hopefully many years from now.

LaFleur may be hitting a new floor, but that floor is higher than just about any other coach's ceiling.

Barry has all the talent any DC could ever hope to have. Yet his teams have been mediocre or worse. And his ability to adjust in-game has been horrible. He gets my vote for primary blame.

Gute didn't hire LaFleur, Murphy did.

[Sparkey]

The same offensive disfunction that was showing up in 2017 and 2018 is the same as what is going on now. The oline has changed, the rb's have changed and receivers have changed and the coaches have changed. What hasn't changed ? Yup, the QB!