CALL OUT THE BLAME TIME

[MadtownPacker]

You had me do a double take. I didn't remember a Murphy choice.

I did word it like that! He needs to be an option on the pole since he is in charge of all these fuckheads.

[bobblehead]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...2022-breakdown

Favre tried that once. TT was destroyed by fans and the media over it. Its only because Rodgers became Rodgers that TT survived it. So Rodgers didn't hold anyone hostage. The team made a decision. One the fans largely agreed with at the time. They sold out to keep Rodgers happy. Personally I would have let him sit and not restructured. I think at the time I said that my only compromise would have been to agree to trade Love and tack on 2 years at $25 million on the back end of his existing contract if he felt a committment was needed. I would not have given him the farm and I wouldn't have traded or Cobb.

At a minimum 80% of the posters here sided with him at the time.

[MadtownPacker]

To point about owning up, he admitted that he made some bad plays. He also made a few bad "reads" because the guy who was open had already dropped passes. I don't excuse that....gotta throw to the open guy. If they keep dropping passes the coaches will eventually bench them.

To Sharon playing GB...most fans were on his side. I don't think there were 2 posters besides me that said "trade him now"

Mofo I drove up and you jumped on that wagon to join me. Shit needed to happen 2 years ago.

[bobblehead]

Mofo I drove up and you jumped on that wagon to join me. Shit needed to happen 2 years ago.

I'll give you full credit. But you hate Erin so your view of it all is jaded. I agree with you on a lot. I don't think either of us needs to be lead to water. Hell I doubt either of us is capable of being lead anywhere.

[MadtownPacker]

I'll give you full credit. But you hate Erin so your view of it all is jaded. I agree with you on a lot. I don't think either of us needs to be lead to water. Hell I doubt either of us is capable of being lead anywhere.

I despise him for being a shitty person. Nothing to do with his football player side, have always said he is an incredible passer. I have also always said he was a poor leader and that was based on my personal encounter with him and then all the video evidence he has shown through the years. Basically the dude made me think even worse of him somehow.

But let’s not lose sight of the main message of your post and you are right both of us are fucking great!

[Fosco33]

MTP - how can you hate on a guy that speaks his mind? Does boomers and ayahuasca while winning back-back MVPs? He was dead right on a bunch of the political shit too (even though no one should pay attention to athletes non fb points of view).

I used to hate his demeanor in games but he’s been surprisingly less so the last 2-3 years.

I’d be more annoyed if he just gave canned answers and looked mellow with people playing like ass around him.

[Jaire]

If all of the blockers were 100% healthy clones of Tauscher and Bahktiari, and all the receivers were clones of Davante who only had eyes for Aaron, and all the running backs were like Aaron Jones and took full responsibility for keeping a positive lockerroom, and all the plays were simple with the option to sandlot it whenever Aaron wants to, and the front office asks him how much frothed milk he wants in his tea, and none of the lying national media questioned him about statements he made when they have their mics pointed at him, and all the Division I schools had recruited him, and every team had a battle Royale to draft him with the #1 pick, and all the women would just let him do his thing and stop asking all those relationship questions like "Where do you want to go for dinner?" and "Are we dating?", then maybe he wouldn't be forced to go on his chucklebro's livestream show to set the record straight.

Most of Aaron's content there is solid, and entertaining. Both AR and chucklbro are a tad narcissisitic but that's also true of ninety percent of my graduating class. Just the times we're in.

This FO royallly screwed up the 2020 draft. If they got him some receiver help then, maybe we win won or two more SB's. These recent losses I have to put on Gute who has been hell bent not to get AR some legit talent. And I just rewatched two of Peyton's Superbowls: I've never seen AR play as horrible a play off game as Payton did both in Indy and Denver. I was was actually embarassed for him. Also, the game this year is so CRAP compared to how it used to be played. I'm really appreciating Wahle's new podcast (esp his last).

Proof of said perennial screw up: they are about to give up multiple picks for Moore. Glad Gute is seeing some light finally.

[ThunderDan]

I put the blame squarely on Murphy.

He fucked up the end of the TT era by letting him stay to long. I also think the breaking up of responsibilities between Gute and Ball is a huge mistake. One of those two needs to have total authority to run the club.

Murphy needs to be fired by the Board and someone needs to come in and put things back the way they were when Wolfe and TT were the GMs.

[ThunderDan]

MTP - how can you hate on a guy that speaks his mind? Does boomers and ayahuasca while winning back-back MVPs? He was dead right on a bunch of the political shit too (even though no one should pay attention to athletes non fb points of view).

I used to hate his demeanor in games but he’s been surprisingly less so the last 2-3 years.

I’d be more annoyed if he just gave canned answers and looked mellow with people playing like ass around him.

I dislike him because he is speaking his mind in all the wrong places.

I own my own CPA firm and I don't go running to the media or my clients to tell them that an employee fucked something up. You go to them personally and try to help them correct their mistakes and not do what they did again. If they still don't change, you fire them but thank them for their time with the organization.

LaFleur knows that there are mental mistakes right now. Gute knows every time someone drops the ball or runs the wrong route that he needs to address the WR position.

ARod running his mouth doesn't help anything.

[Fosco33]

Lots of people here are putting the blame for poor play on ARod personally and calling for Love.

He’s saying two things - one, 1) we have to play within our personnel and talent, 2) far too many mistakes.

Dudes a perfectionist. And he’s now learned that you just control your own narrative.

And he’s not the leader of the GBP. He’s key personnel. He’d be your top CPA and may influence recruiting. But he doesn’t get to hire/fire anyone.

[Jaire]

Lots of people here are putting the blame for poor play on ARod personally and calling for Love.

He’s saying two things - one, 1) we have to play within our personnel and talent, 2) far too many mistakes.

Dudes a perfectionist. And he’s now learned that you just control your own narrative.

And he’s not the leader of the GBP. He’s key personnel. He’d be your top CPA and may influence recruiting. But he doesn’t get to hire/fire anyone.

Spot on.

Man, it's got to be so frustrating for AR; he's really just trying to make the best of lemons. That's all he can do, and I think he's come a long way the past few years tbh. He's getting older and his play has declined a bit, but if he had half the pieces Peyton was given in Denver, no one would be talking smack about ARod. No one's perfect (and plenty I disagree with ARod on), but dude is a totally unique cat in the history of football. He's earned my respect. ..... And obviously many others' as well; that chat that BB gave him after the NE game wasn't just a photo-op: it was straight up the GOAT paying his homage to a player he truly appreciates and respects.

[Fritz]

I'm surprised The Flower isn't getting more hate. You all seem to be giving him a pass.

Gutes did what he had to do to keep Rodgers, which a few of you pointed out is what most fans wanted (go back and check my posts; I wanted him traded but that might've been a dumb move too, who knows?). People here also seem to be forgetting that Davante Adams wanted o-u-t of Green Bay - he wanted to go play back home. So Gutes got what he could - it was a good trade in terms of compensation.

Guter also loaded up the defense - you can't say they lack talent. The talent is there. Sure, they could use another all-pro lineman, but who couldn't and maybe Wyatt will develop as the season goes on.

Gutes went all-in and resigned guys we didn't think they could afford to keep - Devondre Campbell, Rasul Douglass. He gave Jaire Alexander a contract to keep him.

On offense, the majority of us were slobbering over the depth of the offensive line - so many good ones we thought we'd lose a really good developmental guy!

Pretty much everybody here had a preseason boner for Doubs and especially Christian "Hamstring" Watson.

He pulled a TT and signed a wiley vet WR to a reasonable contract to see if he could pitch in. He also brought Cobb back to make Rodgers happy.

But the team is not just working out the kinks on offense - shit is just flat-out wrong.

But who hired that wizard Joe Barely to work with this deeply talented defense and make it a dominant one? I thought they'd carry the offense for the first part of the season but they're not playing well, and don't give me that shit that they're too tired because they're on the field too much. Are they a really good defense, or not? No, they are not.

And if Rodgers is getting out of control - making decisions on where the ball is going pre-snap and just getting rid of it - well, where's the head coach getting Rodgers back on track? We bitched about Sherman losing control of Favre, we bitched about McCarthy losing control of Rodgers, and so why aren't we bitching about The Flower not doing his job?

And when our best player was not getting enough touches a few weeks in a row, where was the head coach on that?

What the hell. It's LeFleur's ship, and it's listing.

[bobblehead]

MTP - how can you hate on a guy that speaks his mind? Does boomers and ayahuasca while winning back-back MVPs? He was dead right on a bunch of the political shit too (even though no one should pay attention to athletes non fb points of view).

I used to hate his demeanor in games but he’s been surprisingly less so the last 2-3 years.

I’d be more annoyed if he just gave canned answers and looked mellow with people playing like ass around him.

I, like everyone, give athletes the same weight on their political opinions as I do anyone else. If they agree with me, they are very smart. If they differ, they are very stupid. I do not think I am unique in this regard.

[bobblehead]

I put the blame squarely on Murphy.

He fucked up the end of the TT era by letting him stay to long. I also think the breaking up of responsibilities between Gute and Ball is a huge mistake. One of those two needs to have total authority to run the club.

Murphy needs to be fired by the Board and someone needs to come in and put things back the way they were when Wolfe and TT were the GMs.

I think we owed TT some loyalty. To be honest it wouldn't shock me if Gutes was in charge of the last couple drafts and basically was the GM before TT stepped down. Remember Gutes turned down another GM offer so there was definitely some behind the scenes we weren't privy to.

Just curious, and I won't go back and look, but you can answer. At the time, did we "owe" it to fat mike to let him finish the season? Did we "owe" anything to Favre when he "unretired". I guess I'm wondering if you are consistent in how guys near the end should be handled. Personally I can be a pretty cold bastard with these kind of things. TT should have been sent off earlier (and I think he was internally). TT understood the deal. He often said "its a young mans game" when not giving out that 3rd contract.

For my taste I loved TT before he lost it. He seemed very even keeled and immune to outside pressures and believed in his methods to his very core.

[Bretsky]

I'm surprised The Flower isn't getting more hate. You all seem to be giving him a pass.

Gutes did what he had to do to keep Rodgers, which a few of you pointed out is what most fans wanted (go back and check my posts; I wanted him traded but that might've been a dumb move too, who knows?). People here also seem to be forgetting that Davante Adams wanted o-u-t of Green Bay - he wanted to go play back home. So Gutes got what he could - it was a good trade in terms of compensation.

Guter also loaded up the defense - you can't say they lack talent. The talent is there. Sure, they could use another all-pro lineman, but who couldn't and maybe Wyatt will develop as the season goes on.

Gutes went all-in and resigned guys we didn't think they could afford to keep - Devondre Campbell, Rasul Douglass. He gave Jaire Alexander a contract to keep him.

On offense, the majority of us were slobbering over the depth of the offensive line - so many good ones we thought we'd lose a really good developmental guy!

Pretty much everybody here had a preseason boner for Doubs and especially Christian "Hamstring" Watson.

He pulled a TT and signed a wiley vet WR to a reasonable contract to see if he could pitch in. He also brought Cobb back to make Rodgers happy.

But the team is not just working out the kinks on offense - shit is just flat-out wrong.

But who hired that wizard Joe Barely to work with this deeply talented defense and make it a dominant one? I thought they'd carry the offense for the first part of the season but they're not playing well, and don't give me that shit that they're too tired because they're on the field too much. Are they a really good defense, or not? No, they are not.

And if Rodgers is getting out of control - making decisions on where the ball is going pre-snap and just getting rid of it - well, where's the head coach getting Rodgers back on track? We bitched about Sherman losing control of Favre, we bitched about McCarthy losing control of Rodgers, and so why aren't we bitching about The Flower not doing his job?

And when our best player was not getting enough touches a few weeks in a row, where was the head coach on that?

What the hell. It's LeFleur's ship, and it's listing.

As Chris Carter used to say, COME ON MAN

Gutebag has ignored, or failing to successfully address our gaping hole of talent at WR since Devante Adams was drafted. And now he's finally exposed

Gutebag failed to resign Devante Adams the year before all this shit happened. When Adams left that was when he made the captain obvious move of securing the other guys

THE TALE OF TWO TEAMS LOSING THEIR ELITE WIDE RECEIVER----and were their talent levels really that different besides both having elite QB's ?

KC vs GB

How did each team, the GM's and the Head Coaches react ?

KC went out and got MVS and traded for JUJU and drafted a WR in round two in Sky Moore. GB signed some of their own to apparently create an elite Defense. And then he drafted defense with his first two round picks (one performing a little and one not at all so far), and then in an act of desperation, IMO he trade "BOTH" of our second round picks for a guy with upside who most considered needing development. Add a 4th and 7th, who appear positive, but dam....I know......too soon to judge, but the early comparison is ugly.

And it's very fair for you to argue Reid is an elite coach, and MLF and Joe Barry have really fallen short. A good argument could be made that the coaching difference is huge.

But my bias is with Gutebag