CALL OUT THE BLAME TIME

[bobblehead]

As Chris Carter used to say, COME ON MAN

Gutebag has ignored, or failing to successfully address our gaping hole of talent at WR since Devante Adams was drafted. And now he's finally exposed

Gutebag failed to resign Devante Adams the year before all this shit happened. When Adams left that was when he made the captain obvious move of securing the other guys

THE TALE OF TWO TEAMS LOSING THEIR ELITE WIDE RECEIVER----and were their talent levels really that different besides both having elite QB's ?

KC vs GB

How did each team, the GM's and the Head Coaches react ?

KC went out and got MVS and traded for JUJU and drafted a WR in round two in Sky Moore. GB signed some of their own to apparently create an elite Defense. And then he drafted defense with his first two round picks (one performing a little and one not at all so far), and then in an act of desperation, IMO he trade "BOTH" of our second round picks for a guy with upside who most considered needing development. Add a 4th and 7th, who appear positive, but dam....I know......too soon to judge, but the early comparison is ugly.

And it's very fair for you to argue Reid is an elite coach, and MLF and Joe Barry have really fallen short. A good argument could be made that the coaching difference is huge.

But my bias is with Gutebag

I would like to revisit history just a bit. A couple years ago everyone on this board assured me that KC had this great WR who was much better than MVS name Sammy Watkins.

As for this years draft the chiefs ALSO had 2 firsts and took 2 defensive players and didn't draft a WR until AFTER we did. And their guy is healthy and ours isn't. Thats called luck.

JuJu, I think was an FA, and one not too many teams were desiring after his fall off the last 2 years. He had played 12 games in 2 years. We are in cap hell. That is what fans wanted the entire TT era. A GM who would spend until we couldn't spend anymore. Plus I am pretty sure they were counting on Adams staying. I know fans weren't aware he was simply done in GB until well after all the FA WR were signed.

None of this means mistakes weren't made. I'm simply pointing out that things are never as black and white as in a fans mind.

[Fosco33]

Almost everyone here hated adams for the droppsies. I think our rooks will be awesome by year 4.

[ThunderDan]

I think we owed TT some loyalty. To be honest it wouldn't shock me if Gutes was in charge of the last couple drafts and basically was the GM before TT stepped down. Remember Gutes turned down another GM offer so there was definitely some behind the scenes we weren't privy to.

Just curious, and I won't go back and look, but you can answer. At the time, did we "owe" it to fat mike to let him finish the season? Did we "owe" anything to Favre when he "unretired". I guess I'm wondering if you are consistent in how guys near the end should be handled. Personally I can be a pretty cold bastard with these kind of things. TT should have been sent off earlier (and I think he was internally). TT understood the deal. He often said "its a young mans game" when not giving out that 3rd contract.

For my taste I loved TT before he lost it. He seemed very even keeled and immune to outside pressures and believed in his methods to his very core.

I thought we owed TT some loyalty also but the last few years were brutal in the watching TT interact with people. I would have gotten rid of him a year or two before the Packers did.

I was surprised that we got rid of MM during the season. I would have waited until the end of the season unless there was someone on staff that I thought could be the next head coach. I was ready to get rid of him for a couple of years. At the beginning, he really had a brilliant offensive mind. He got lazy and stale by the end.

[ThunderDan]

Just so we have the facts. Here are the 1st half defensive numbers.

Week 1 - 17 pts 257 yards
Week 2 - 7 pts 74 yards
Week 3 - 3 pts 97 yards
Week 4 - 10 pts (pick 6 by Rodgers) 121 yards
Week 5 - 10 pts 130 yards
Week 6 - 3 pts 65 yards
Week 7 - 10 pts 141 yards

Average - 8.58 pts 126.4 yards

I would take that every week all year long. 1st half defense hasn't been our problem this year.

[ThunderDan]

Had the wrong MN yards initially as 398.

[Fritz]

Just so we have the facts. Here are the 1st half defensive numbers.

Week 1 - 17 pts 257 yards
Week 2 - 7 pts 74 yards
Week 3 - 3 pts 97 yards
Week 4 - 10 pts (pick 6 by Rodgers) 121 yards
Week 5 - 10 pts 130 yards
Week 6 - 3 pts 65 yards
Week 7 - 10 pts 141 yards

Average - 8.58 pts 126.4 yards

I would take that every week all year long. 1st half defense hasn't been our problem this year.

If only football games were only two quarters long - we'd have a great defense!

But your numbers also ignore the number of games in which the defense got the team into a hole by allowing a score on the first drive.

[Jaire]

Man,

I agree with everyone on this page. A lot of good points.

So, to put it together:

1) Gute did a lot of good things, but in the end it doesn't make up for the boneheaded complete waste of a draft in 2020. I really really think it cost us one or two rings already. And IT HURTS RIGHT NOW.

2) MLF cost us that game against the Bucs as well. He should have called a time out: that was imo the ONE truly boneheaded play of the game. The field goal at the end looked worse than it was: even the analytics had it close, and the circumstances said probably don't go for 6 and 2, right there. Still no risk it, no biscuit. If you go for it, literally no one says "you should have kicked." A bit too hesitant, which MLF is: little too much brake, not enough gas. But if you called the time out first half, no need to kick a field goal on 4th and goal (and there were a number of small mistakes throughout: had to be perfect to beat TB). There weren't a lot of horrible plays that game. The line was banged up and outmatched. The whole team was outmatched and they still almost pulled the upset: and should have. A couple players really played amazing: Jaire, MVS, Lazard and AR. A couple players had atypical games including Adams. But it was coaches. Which brings us to the present coaching shortcomings. I think MLF makes a very good OC; not sure about HC. He keeps saying he needs to fix his mistakes and it's sounding old. This is a SB caliber team (primary because of AR): but they have had more talent than many prior years except at Wide Out, I would say. SO.......we'll see. I haven't watched enough, but a few things Barry has done during the game are real head scratchers. MLF's man.

[Jaire]

Here's the thing, and I think this is the problem.

With AR, you don't need an offensive coordinator. He's like Manning in that regard. Just give him the talent, coach the technique, and AR can still dissect anyone. I don't think Gute gets this. That's the frustration. If he had Brady's talent (albeit that oline is struggling), he'd put on a show. Not that I'm down on our guys. We just need a couple of pieces -- even one -- he can play with. He needs a better line too. And hopefully they get him some help before next year (when the rookies will get better). Otherwise he may not be back especially if he gets knocked out. At least during the regular season in 2020 he had all day and was hardly touched. You just can't let your franchise get beat up the way AR is. not his fault.

He still has it. After he threw that pick six, he was pretty pissed and turned it on and brought that game back. It's kinda like when someone belt's him in a game. Except once, that didn't go too well for the oppostiion.

[Jaire]

Watching this Bills game. It's very clear Gute is the problem. Barry is runner up

[Bretsky]

Watching this Bills game. It's very clear Gute is the problem. Barry is runner up

I would still vote for Gute as I did.

And I'd say Barry is second as well.

[Bretsky]

PACKER POST GAME..suggesting GB going out and getting Chase Claypool....lol

[texaspackerbacker]

After tonight's game, I'm back to thinking we don't need to trade for a WR - unless maybe we can get somebody good for really cheap, and that ain't likely.

Doubs, Toure, with Watson and Lazard coming back, and Cobb in a few weeks, that's good enough to win - or would be if the O Line was any good and the D didn't give away the game.

[th87]

As for all the people who are still crying about Jordan Love I would point out for the 2nd time that the Aaron Rodgers we are watching RIGHT NOW looks very similar to the guy who played the 2-3 seasons immediately PRECEDING the Love pick.

So if you think Rodgers isn't playing well and is finished, but you also claim the Love pick was the worst mistake in the history of mistakes then you need to think about the logic.

Um, he had just led us to the NFCCG. Even in his "decline", he was a good enough QB to win with. Adding a WR would've helped even further.

If they had to go with Love, then they should've gone with a rebuild right then and there and traded Rodgers. The timeline for drafting Love made no sense. If Rodgers stayed and played two more years, you'd only have two years of Love left on his rookie contract, which completely negates the cap advantage of a low-cost QB (assuming he was good).

Learning for two years behind a HOF QB isn't a thing. Complete myth. Whether he'll be good is up to him and the coaches.

Gute tried to have it both ways and did both sub-optimally. This had cascading effects like Rodgers' decision to spitefully "get his" at the expense of the team.

It was a complete boner of a decision. And it's not like Love was a cant-miss opportunity that was worth the risk.

So Gute is to blame.

[th87]

Most of Aaron's content there is solid, and entertaining. Both AR and chucklbro are a tad narcissisitic but that's also true of ninety percent of my graduating class. Just the times we're in.

This FO royallly screwed up the 2020 draft. If they got him some receiver help then, maybe we win won or two more SB's. These recent losses I have to put on Gute who has been hell bent not to get AR some legit talent. And I just rewatched two of Peyton's Superbowls: I've never seen AR play as horrible a play off game as Payton did both in Indy and Denver. I was was actually embarassed for him. Also, the game this year is so CRAP compared to how it used to be played. I'm really appreciating Wahle's new podcast (esp his last).

Proof of said perennial screw up: they are about to give up multiple picks for Moore. Glad Gute is seeing some light finally.

This. The 2020 draft was a complete catastrophe, which was predicted by many as it happened, and is now even more evident as time passes.

Picking Love was nonsensical from:
- a team need standpoint
- a team chemistry standpoint
- a salary cap standpoint (by wasting Love's rookie contract)
- a player development standpoint (QBs improving via a long apprenticeship is not necessary)

CEOs making this type of blunder get fired. And nothing else he's done is really redeemable. Alexander, Jenkins (who knows now), and Gary are his best picks. That's nice, but we'd probably unearth the same talent level if we "auto-drafted" out of a magazine those years due to the high picks we had.

[texaspackerbacker]

I agree with pretty much all of this last post except for the conclusion that Gutekunst is "to blame" and deserves to get fired. 13 or 14 wins the past several seasons says otherwise.

I still say the greatest blame for the bad start this year - the original poll question - is Barry. His mediocre D performance despite having a shitload of talent and high picks is inexcusable. With better D, we'd be in good shape despite the shoddy O Line performance and the inexperienced if not downright lame WRs. The teams doing well on D it seems are the ones with young innovative D Coordinators who can adjust to the way offenses have changed over time. Barry has not done well that way.