CALL OUT THE BLAME TIME

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Actually, it is quite simple, teams succeed or fail based on quality of coaches and the players, with a little luck thrown in here and there. Our current team is mediocre cause the overall quality of coaches and players is mediocre. We have had a great run, it has been exciting. Time to rebuild, which we should have started last year..

[call_me_ishmael]

Bills are the best team in the league and the Pack outplayed them in the second half. There edit: fuck this forum I typed up a long post and it’s gone now.

[texaspackerbacker]

I say again, it's NEVER time to rebuild. You just tune things up on the fly. Fire-saling good players is absolutely a stupid thing to do. Even when that dark day comes that we no longer have Aaron Rodgers, it would be all out stupid to rebuild the way the Panthers, for example, are doing or the way the Steelers or Dolphins or several teams in other sports have done.

CMI, the forum has done that to me a few times too. Sometimes if you backspace, it's still there - you can edit and copy what you wrote. The preventative thing especially if you are editing, is to copy the whole thing just in case.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

[QUOTE=call_me_ishmael;1123499]Bills are the best team in the league and the Pack outplayed them in the second half. There edit: fuck this forum I typed up a long post and it

Where did my post go?

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahaha the system KNOWS you and fucks up accordingly.

[bobblehead]

Um, he had just led us to the NFCCG. Even in his "decline", he was a good enough QB to win with. Adding a WR would've helped even further.

If they had to go with Love, then they should've gone with a rebuild right then and there and traded Rodgers. The timeline for drafting Love made no sense. If Rodgers stayed and played two more years, you'd only have two years of Love left on his rookie contract, which completely negates the cap advantage of a low-cost QB (assuming he was good).

Learning for two years behind a HOF QB isn't a thing. Complete myth. Whether he'll be good is up to him and the coaches.

Gute tried to have it both ways and did both sub-optimally. This had cascading effects like Rodgers' decision to spitefully "get his" at the expense of the team.

It was a complete boner of a decision. And it's not like Love was a cant-miss opportunity that was worth the risk.

So Gute is to blame.

Rodgers had 3 of his only 4 seasons with a QBR under 100 the three seasons prior to picking love. He only had 25 and 26 TD passes the 2 before. People were really down on him....just like right now.

Learning behind a QB absolutely IS a thing. It just doesn't get done much anymore because of the pressure on GMs to win now. I can think of a guy it worked out really well for. And it isn't vital, I'll agree. You can have 2 losing seasons WHILE they learn, but its not advised. Much better for them to learn while the team wins. Quick....name the last rookie or 2nd year QB to win an OWL (hint, there were no rookies and 4 second year guys. All 4 of those guys had great teams around them, and 1 was Kurt warner who learned in arena and Europe)

Finally, no one argues that drafting Love was the right move. I was pissed as hell and still think it was a fuck up. If you believe that ARod would have dutifully played happy and been Mr. Team if we hadn't drafted Love you are nuts. No matter what he would have "got his". Thats the way the NFL is. Every great player gets paid. The only point I actually made (not the 5 you think I made) is that drafting Love, given all the circumstances was understandable. Just as I made the point a couple decades ago at about the exact time in Rodgers career...Under the circumstances drafting Rodgers wasn't the worst move ever.

[bobblehead]

Actually, it is quite simple, teams succeed or fail based on quality of coaches and the players, with a little luck thrown in here and there. Our current team is mediocre cause the overall quality of coaches and players is mediocre. We have had a great run, it has been exciting. Time to rebuild, which we should have started last year..

39 wins in 3 seasons is mediocre.....except its actually THE BEST IN THE LEAGUE.

[bobblehead]

The best post by any rat ever (I wish I recalled who) was a meme of some guy sitting at the computer screaming at his wife:

HOLD ON FOR CHRIST SAKE....SOME GUY ON THE INTERNET IS WRONG!!!!

Epic post. Moments like these when things are going bad and the team isn't playing well and I spend way too much time here I try and remember that meme. Later guys, real life calls.....even if you are all wrong.

[Jaire]

"understandable"

No. I am squarely on the others side. What made it so so much worse was getting a THIRD RB in round two, and Deguara in round 3. Everyone was screaming for McLaurin instead of Jace (who I liked as a pick) in 2019. I think this was BOTH MLF and GUTE. Those picks in 2019 and 2020 screamed MLF, and as GM you just can't abandon your draft philosophy for a rookie HC. That 2020 draft was so egregious and it cost us at least one SB. This boneheaded drafting was given an exclamation point with the Quay pick. ILB round one when you absolutely need a starter on the line with Jenkins and Bakh out to begin the season. Joe Barry got his guy, and you gave the finger to the MVP instead: he needs to be fired ASAP (I mean Joe, not Gute: Gute will be gone soon enough).

I'm also in the "not understandable" category for a very divisive matter. AR is the best. Both the Rams and Niners were ready to trade away everything and their kitchen sink (not to mention Denver) for the so called declining over the hill QB. This is just a big divide in WI, and I really think it's more like 50/50 because a lot of the older folks (like myself) aren't on internet forums: they really really know what's coming and how lucky we are to have AR. It is simply amazing how well he has aged: only Favre and Brady (and Moon come think of it) have held up like this. Of those three, AR still is the most talented. He is incredibly underrated, but it's a divide in the fan base: what it is. Give him his 2020 oline (and we're not far perhaps from that) and a couple more WRs, and he can still have an MVP season again. It's that simple. Gute has NOT done what's needed, NOW FOR FOUR DRAFTS IN A ROW, to help out this offense. It's like AR can always get by with the scraps in the draft: NO HE CAN'T. He's older and needs MORE not LESS help, esp protection. And your only shot at another title has been to help AR, who is the most reliable guy in GB for 15 years, not your new HC, not Joe Barry. You support and bolster the knowns. Gute has dropped the quality of this FO a lot in his tenure. He just doesn't get it.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

39 wins in 3 seasons is mediocre.....except its actually THE BEST IN THE LEAGUE.

True, BUT part of the rebuilding process is always knowing when to trade for the most value..

[Fritz]

FIRE EVERYONE

TRADE EVERYONE

OH MY GOD THIS IS SO HORRIBLE

And if the new regime, from the president to the GM to the head coach to the players, don't win three in a row right off the bat, FIRE THEM TOO.

DON'T STOP FIRING PEOPLE UNTIL I FEEL BETTER.

[beveaux1]

Sometimes your players just don’t play well. They don’t block. They don’t tackle. They drop the ball. They make mistakes. Sometimes they get hurt.

In 2019, everything fell just right and we won 13 games with a 9 or 10 win team. We got all the calls by the refs. This year, maybe we’re a 9 or 10 win that doesn’t get any of the calls so we win 6 or 7. It happens. You don’t fire everyone until it becomes a losing culture.

We’re spoiled. 30 years of elite football. We tried to stretch it a couple more years. May work, may not. Let’s see how it plays out and how our coaches and front office act and react. That’s football.

[bobblehead]

"understandable"

No. I am squarely on the others side. What made it so so much worse was getting a THIRD RB in round two, and Deguara in round 3. Everyone was screaming for McLaurin instead of Jace (who I liked as a pick) in 2019. I think this was BOTH MLF and GUTE. Those picks in 2019 and 2020 screamed MLF, and as GM you just can't abandon your draft philosophy for a rookie HC. That 2020 draft was so egregious and it cost us at least one SB. This boneheaded drafting was given an exclamation point with the Quay pick. ILB round one when you absolutely need a starter on the line with Jenkins and Bakh out to begin the season. Joe Barry got his guy, and you gave the finger to the MVP instead: he needs to be fired ASAP (I mean Joe, not Gute: Gute will be gone soon enough).

I'm also in the "not understandable" category for a very divisive matter. AR is the best. Both the Rams and Niners were ready to trade away everything and their kitchen sink (not to mention Denver) for the so called declining over the hill QB. This is just a big divide in WI, and I really think it's more like 50/50 because a lot of the older folks (like myself) aren't on internet forums: they really really know what's coming and how lucky we are to have AR. It is simply amazing how well he has aged: only Favre and Brady (and Moon come think of it) have held up like this. Of those three, AR still is the most talented. He is incredibly underrated, but it's a divide in the fan base: what it is. Give him his 2020 oline (and we're not far perhaps from that) and a couple more WRs, and he can still have an MVP season again. It's that simple. Gute has NOT done what's needed, NOW FOR FOUR DRAFTS IN A ROW, to help out this offense. It's like AR can always get by with the scraps in the draft: NO HE CAN'T. He's older and needs MORE not LESS help, esp protection. And your only shot at another title has been to help AR, who is the most reliable guy in GB for 15 years, not your new HC, not Joe Barry. You support and bolster the knowns. Gute has dropped the quality of this FO a lot in his tenure. He just doesn't get it.

Just to clarify one point. No one was calling us trying to trade for ARod in 2019. They were calling AFTER he ran the offense and won an MVP award.....and I advocated trading him at the time.

[bobblehead]

True, BUT part of the rebuilding process is always knowing when to trade for the most value..

Except that it isn't. Nearly every poster on this board was backing AR and against trading him. The GM did what most of the fans wanted. I don't recall your position at the time, but if you can bump a post where you advocated trading him, then yes, you were almost as smart as Mad and myself in that regard. I don't think that was your stance then though.

Edit: And I'm talking about preseason 2021....not after he upset you with his vaccine stance.

[texaspackerbacker]

"understandable"

No. I am squarely on the others side. What made it so so much worse was getting a THIRD RB in round two, and Deguara in round 3. Everyone was screaming for McLaurin instead of Jace (who I liked as a pick) in 2019. I think this was BOTH MLF and GUTE. Those picks in 2019 and 2020 screamed MLF, and as GM you just can't abandon your draft philosophy for a rookie HC. That 2020 draft was so egregious and it cost us at least one SB. This boneheaded drafting was given an exclamation point with the Quay pick. ILB round one when you absolutely need a starter on the line with Jenkins and Bakh out to begin the season. Joe Barry got his guy, and you gave the finger to the MVP instead: he needs to be fired ASAP (I mean Joe, not Gute: Gute will be gone soon enough).

I'm also in the "not understandable" category for a very divisive matter. AR is the best. Both the Rams and Niners were ready to trade away everything and their kitchen sink (not to mention Denver) for the so called declining over the hill QB. This is just a big divide in WI, and I really think it's more like 50/50 because a lot of the older folks (like myself) aren't on internet forums: they really really know what's coming and how lucky we are to have AR. It is simply amazing how well he has aged: only Favre and Brady (and Moon come think of it) have held up like this. Of those three, AR still is the most talented. He is incredibly underrated, but it's a divide in the fan base: what it is. Give him his 2020 oline (and we're not far perhaps from that) and a couple more WRs, and he can still have an MVP season again. It's that simple. Gute has NOT done what's needed, NOW FOR FOUR DRAFTS IN A ROW, to help out this offense. It's like AR can always get by with the scraps in the draft: NO HE CAN'T. He's older and needs MORE not LESS help, esp protection. And your only shot at another title has been to help AR, who is the most reliable guy in GB for 15 years, not your new HC, not Joe Barry. You support and bolster the knowns. Gute has dropped the quality of this FO a lot in his tenure. He just doesn't get it.

Another excellent post from you.

To that idiot OBNDY and anybody else thinking "rebuild", doing that - a fire sale, like the Bears now seem to be doing - is NEVER a good idea. Rebuild on the fly! That's been the Packer way for a long long time if not forever, and it's like that for almost all of the successful teams.