I can't blame the Steeler GM. A Bear second rounder is a helluva lot better than a Packer second rounder, and it would have been stupid to raise our offer to a first. (Just watch the panicky fools in here dispute that hahahahaha)
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I don’t blame gute here. Could have tried to add a 6th or 7th but not a 1st. I do blame gutebag for neglecting the wr position in 2020 though
TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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As of today, the difference is 1 spot. Honestly, I'm glad the Packers didn't give up a 2nd for Claypool. I'm not convinced he is better than what we have now. Now if it was Les Claypool, then yes, give up two firsts! That guy can slap a bass witht he best of them!Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View PostI can't blame the Steeler GM. A Bear second rounder is a helluva lot better than a Packer second rounder, and it would have been stupid to raise our offer to a first. (Just watch the panicky fools in here dispute that hahahahaha)
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As a Baylor homer, I wonder if we could have pried Denzel Mims from the Jets for a fifth or worse. He's got the measurables for a good WR, but has been in the team's doghouse since last year or so.
He's still inexperienced enough that I don't know how quickly he would have picked up our system. Or he might be stupid. I think that's a concern for any WR pickup (and an impatient quarterback).I believe in God, family, Baylor University, and the Green Bay Packers.
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You can add a 4th in a future draft, you know.Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View PostI can't blame the Steeler GM. A Bear second rounder is a helluva lot better than a Packer second rounder, and it would have been stupid to raise our offer to a first. (Just watch the panicky fools in here dispute that hahahahaha)
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So give away a zach tom or a romeo dobbs in addition to giving up a Jenkins or a myers? Thats starting to get pretty expensive.....and no sure thing the steelers would want that rather than the bears pick.Originally posted by th87 View PostYou can add a 4th in a future draft, you know.The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi
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Les Claypool > Chase Claypool
Denzel Mims is barely seeing the field. I wouldn't give up more than a R6 or R7 for him... and even then, I'm not sure he's helping you that much. They need a veteran who knows how to read coverages correctly and get open. Watkins, Lazard and Cobb can do that, they just can't stay healthy. The youngsters can't do that consistently yet. I'm not sure Mims can either, that he's fallen out of favor is concerning.
A R2 for Claypool is too rich for me. I don't think he helps them for many of the same reasons as Mims. Maybe you can just tell Claypool or Mims to run 9 routes and hope they will scare a secondary, but I don't know if I'd hang my hat on that. Giving up a (roughly) Top 50 pick for 1.5 seasons of Claypool doesn't seem worth it IMO.
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Roquan was not happy in Chicago and he is a head case. He is out of contract at the end of this season and there was zero chance of him signing here. He represents himself (no agent) and he wanted crazy money at a position that is not worth that kind of money in Chicago anyway. The GM thought he'd get something out of him before he left (no way was he getting paid franchise tag money here).Originally posted by bobblehead View PostWhat sucks about this...we couldn't beat the bears offer of a 2nd, since ours will be later in the round and giving up more would have been too much.
Why in the world are the bears selling AND buying at the deadline?
The WR, Claypool was needed because the Bears WR unit is a toilet. We have a decent WR2... maybe he is a decent WR3 (Mooney) and that's "it" here. We have stone hand guys who can't run routes correctly (some have admitted they are doing this on Fields). Anyway, the FA market for 2023 wasn't looking so good and our GM overpaid for Claypool. Green Bay was smart to not overbid the Bears because the Bears overpaid on this one. A lot of Bears fans are hot about giving up a high 2nd round draft pick on him."Do anything that might make the world a better place for someone" -Walter Payton
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How about two 3rd’s. Would hate to gives up a dequirra or rogers or sternberger….oopsOriginally posted by bobblehead View PostSo give away a zach tom or a romeo dobbs in addition to giving up a Jenkins or a myers? Thats starting to get pretty expensive.....and no sure thing the steelers would want that rather than the bears pick.
My bad he’s tweeting that Green Bay should have never drafted him…lolTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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Funny that the Bears couldn't make up their minds if they were "sellers" or "buyers" at the trade deadline. I'd say they probably got worse with the Quinn, Roquan, and Claypool deals - which is really saying something considering how bad they were to start with hahahaha.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
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Now we're talking :POriginally posted by Bretsky View PostHow about two 3rd’s. Would hate to gives up a dequirra or rogers or sternberger….oops
My bad he’s tweeting that Green Bay should have never drafted him…lolThe only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi
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So Equanimity St. Brown isn't killing it?Originally posted by JABF View PostRoquan was not happy in Chicago and he is a head case. He is out of contract at the end of this season and there was zero chance of him signing here. He represents himself (no agent) and he wanted crazy money at a position that is not worth that kind of money in Chicago anyway. The GM thought he'd get something out of him before he left (no way was he getting paid franchise tag money here).
The WR, Claypool was needed because the Bears WR unit is a toilet. We have a decent WR2... maybe he is a decent WR3 (Mooney) and that's "it" here. We have stone hand guys who can't run routes correctly (some have admitted they are doing this on Fields). Anyway, the FA market for 2023 wasn't looking so good and our GM overpaid for Claypool. Green Bay was smart to not overbid the Bears because the Bears overpaid on this one. A lot of Bears fans are hot about giving up a high 2nd round draft pick on him."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Quinn dropped off the planet in his play. He is 33 years old with 1 sack this season. I'm glad they got a 4th for him. I like to see old players moved while they still have some value. Roquan is a head case who's contract ends at the end of this season - and does not want to be in Chicago. The guy has "issues" and there is no way the Bears should pay him franchise tag money. Not for an ILB. He doesn't have an agent and thinks he deserves crazy money (he turned down very good money offered to him this year). The Ravens may only have him for half a season and he'll be unsignable. The Bears got a 2nd and the Ravens higher 5th pick for a guy that was leaving in a few months - without the Bears getting a ham sandwich for him. Considering the baggage Roquan has, I'm mighty thankful we got what we got for him. Claypool was a 2nd round pick investment. The FA WR crop in '23 looks like it will be a dumpster fire. That drove the decision to get a guy who actually is a very good fit for Fields. We have another 2nd round pick so it wasn't the end of the world to bring in a guy who is arguably better than anyone we now have at WR. There must be some value to the guy if Green Bay offered their 2nd round pick trying to get him. My hope is that the Bears end up with a top-5 draft pick this year and they get a true WR1 with that pick. There are a couple of legit studs in this draft at WR who will be gone by pick-10.Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View PostFunny that the Bears couldn't make up their minds if they were "sellers" or "buyers" at the trade deadline. I'd say they probably got worse with the Quinn, Roquan, and Claypool deals - which is really saying something considering how bad they were to start with hahahaha.
The Bears have chosen to go full-rebuild and going with young players. They are sellers but in this 1 case it made some sense to go after a very young Claypool who is a good fit with Fields. He is just 1 piece in a big rebuild project. The previous GM had pissed away draft picks and spent the cap... so there wasn't much to work with to begin the rebuild this year... just the teardown off loading players that didn't fit with a rebuild. Claypool will be a nice addition. And he gets half of this 2022 season to build a chemistry with Fields. For the Bears, 2022 was the very painful teardown of the roster. They were in cap hell when the old GM left. But with the radical rebuild, in 2023 we have a healthy cap to spend of OVER $100-Million dollars and we'll have a very high draft position (we have 7 draft picks now). So the rebuild begins in '23. It is a painful process but I do believe it was the right move for us.Last edited by JABF; 11-03-2022, 10:09 AM."Do anything that might make the world a better place for someone" -Walter Payton
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LOL, who? No, he's not doing much. Another wannabee who will be gone in '23. We have stone-hand guys who are running wrong routes or poor route runners. Fields has Mooney who is probably a WR3, but being used as a WR1. Opposing defenses take Mooney out and that's "it" for our passing game. The OL is one of the worst in the NFL for pass protection, and we now have 3 starters out. We have a rookie 5th round LT who "protects" Fields' blind side. Another 5th round player in his 2nd season at RT (who is out due to injury... so we get an even worse guy in now to replace him), and an undrafted dude at center who is pitiful (just getting tossed aside like a rag doll all game long). Our best OL guy, Whitehair is now on IR... he's our LG. So basically the Bears have 1 decent OL, Jenkins, a second year kid at RG (and yesterday he didn't practice due to an injured back... he missed most of last year after serious back surgery). Bears are a mess.Originally posted by Fritz View PostSo Equanimity St. Brown isn't killing it?
Fields has nothing to work with. Claypool may not be much but he is better than what we have now. Fields is basically hung out to dry in 2022 taking one for the team. But in 2023 the Bears have the draft and cap money to reward him well, with some real talent. I expect '24 to build upon that too. A full blown rebuild is painful. That's why most teams do not do it. We will see if the Bears decision to nuke the roster in a scorched earth rebuild effort was crazy or wise. We won't know for a year or two. LOL, just be thankful you guys don't have to endure something like this. It isn't a cakewalk
Last edited by JABF; 11-03-2022, 10:23 AM."Do anything that might make the world a better place for someone" -Walter Payton
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Our time may be coming.Originally posted by JABF View PostLOL, who? No, he's not doing much. Another wannabee who will be gone in '23. We have stone-hand guys who are running wrong routes or poor route runners. Fields has Mooney who is probably a WR3, but being used as a WR1. Opposing defenses take Mooney out and that's "it" for our passing game. The OL is one of the worst in the NFL for pass protection, and we now have 3 starters out. We have a rookie 5th round LT who "protects" Fields' blind side. Another 5th round player in his 2nd season at RT (who is out due to injury... so we get an even worse guy in now to replace him), and an undrafted dude at center who is pitiful (just getting tossed aside like a rag doll all game long). Our best OL guy, Whitehair is now on IR... he's our LG. So basically the Bears have 1 decent OL, Jenkins, a second year kid at RG (and yesterday he didn't practice due to an injured back... he missed most of last year after serious back surgery). Bears are a mess.
Fields has nothing to work with. Claypool may not be much but he is better than what we have now. Fields is basically hung out to dry in 2022 taking one for the team. But in 2023 the Bears have the draft and cap money to reward him well, with some real talent. I expect '24 to build upon that too. A full blown rebuild is painful. That's why most teams do not do it. We will see if the Bears decision to nuke the roster in a scorched earth rebuild effort was crazy or wise. We won't know for a year or two. LOL, just be thankful you guys don't have to endure something like this. It isn't a cakewalk
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
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