Fed up

[GutesBrain]

Gute can't draft, and can't construct a roster. Le Fleur can't maintain discipline. Barry is lost. It all starts at the top, with Murphy. Big changes are needed.

[Vincenzo]

Ahhh, join the Club.

[th87]

Was thinking of starting a similar thread.

It's really sinking in how poorly the FO has mismanaged the gift of Rodgers, and now that window has closed. With a whimper.

Idiots. All of them. It's all about who you know in the management ranks. Talent and intelligence are distant seconds.

Just one deadline trade could've gotten us multiple SBs. Marshawn Lynch for example. But no, can't do it, because TT couldn't give up the right to draft Alex Green. Handed Seattle their run instead.

It's honestly criminal how they squandered Rodgers' career. He made them rich, and they'd be collecting unemployment if not for him. They should be run out of Green Bay.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Was thinking of starting a similar thread.

It's really sinking in how poorly the FO has mismanaged the gift of Rodgers, and now that window has closed. With a whimper.

Idiots. All of them. It's all about who you know in the management ranks. Talent and intelligence are distant seconds.

Just one deadline trade could've gotten us multiple SBs. Marshawn Lynch for example. But no, can't do it, because TT couldn't give up the right to draft Alex Green. Handed Seattle their run instead.

It's honestly criminal how they squandered Rodgers' career. He made them rich, and they'd be collecting unemployment if not for him. They should be run out of Green Bay.

And now we must start to think of the odds of finding another HoF Quarterback within our lifetimes, after having two in a row, especially with current management..

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Was thinking of starting a similar thread.

It's really sinking in how poorly the FO has mismanaged the gift of Rodgers, and now that window has closed. With a whimper.

Idiots. All of them. It's all about who you know in the management ranks. Talent and intelligence are distant seconds.

Just one deadline trade could've gotten us multiple SBs. Marshawn Lynch for example. But no, can't do it, because TT couldn't give up the right to draft Alex Green. Handed Seattle their run instead.

It's honestly criminal how they squandered Rodgers' career. He made them rich, and they'd be collecting unemployment if not for him. They should be run out of Green Bay.

Word.

[run pMc]

It's all about who you know in the coaching ranks. Talent and intelligence are distant seconds.

FIFY

Gute isn't going anywhere. He just signed an extension and has assembled a roster that on paper looks pretty good. He's not above criticism however.

[bobblehead]

Gute can't draft, and can't construct a roster. Le Fleur can't maintain discipline. Barry is lost. It all starts at the top, with Murphy. Big changes are needed.

Great first post. Where were you to bitch about these clowns when we won 39 games in 3 seasons?

[texaspackerbacker]

Finally a couple of sensible voices the last two posts.

Yeah, 39 wins in 3 seasons is pretty damn good. The Love blunder and generally not maximizing things are negatives for Gutekunst, and arguably Aaron Rodgers gets the lion's share of credit, but no way Gutekunst is all that bad.

[Tony Oday]

I think that the front office has done an ok job, they are decent enough at drafting and put together a team that used to win. The problem is they had a plan and it didn't work then they doubled down and didn't try to fix it when they could have attempted a fix.

My hope is that the FO has the ability to go all in next year, solidify the O-Line, get two WRs and a new safety.

[Sparkey]

Was thinking of starting a similar thread.

It's really sinking in how poorly the FO has mismanaged the gift of Rodgers, and now that window has closed. With a whimper.

Idiots. All of them. It's all about who you know in the management ranks. Talent and intelligence are distant seconds.

Just one deadline trade could've gotten us multiple SBs. Marshawn Lynch for example. But no, can't do it, because TT couldn't give up the right to draft Alex Green. Handed Seattle their run instead.

It's honestly criminal how they squandered Rodgers' career. He made them rich, and they'd be collecting unemployment if not for him. They should be run out of Green Bay.

He has played in 5 NFC Championship games with a record of 1-4. He has has some bad luck, but its not like he has not had opportunities. Same number as Favre.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/bre...hip-game-stats FAVRE

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aar...hip-game-stats RODGERS

Just perusing that stats above, Favre was the better qb than Rodgers in NFC Championship games ( w/l records are the same )

[call_me_ishmael]

Great first post. Where were you to bitch about these clowns when we won 39 games in 3 seasons?

I think it's not super unusual to be very successful early in the tenure. People get lazier and more complacent after they've had some success and been around awhile. It'll be interesting to see if he can get his drafting groove back. 2020 and 2021 drafts are looking really bad right now. Like TT mid 2010s bad. AKA horrible.

[bobblehead]

I think that the front office has done an ok job, they are decent enough at drafting and put together a team that used to win. The problem is they had a plan and it didn't work then they doubled down and didn't try to fix it when they could have attempted a fix.

My hope is that the FO has the ability to go all in next year, solidify the O-Line, get two WRs and a new safety.

They won't need 2 WR next year. The 3 rookies will have a year in the system. Maybe a good veteran slot would be a plus, especially if he can return.

We have 3 straight 13 win seasons and this year the storm hit. Devante decided he wouldn't stay for any price. Bak has been in and out of the lineup (although he is playing at a high level when he does play which gives me hope). Jenkins hasn't fully recovered.

So those 2 factors have really hurt our offense. That in turn has put too much pressure on the defense and Rodgers.

Over the years we have been victims of success. This makes 2x (3 maybe if you count Khalil Mack) that the Pack has been outbid for a trade because our offer of picks come too late in the round. Shit happens. I look forward to things gelling as we win 5 or 6 out of the next 7 against the "tough part" of our schedule. Hopefully this year we peak at just the right time. As I said before, not like it would be the first time a team didn't look good early and the put it together at just the right time.

[bobblehead]

I think it's not super unusual to be very successful early in the tenure. People get lazier and more complacent after they've had some success and been around awhile. It'll be interesting to see if he can get his drafting groove back. 2020 and 2021 drafts are looking really bad right now. Like TT mid 2010s bad. AKA horrible.

I disagree. 2020 will be decided by Jordan Love, but without that first we landed 1 starter 2 contributors and 2 more still on the roster that contribute some. 2021 landed 2 starters, 2 contributors and a guy who was traded for a similar pick. Every other guy is still rostered and only in their second year.

[run pMc]

They won't need 2 WR next year. The 3 rookies will have a year in the system. Maybe a good veteran slot would be a plus, especially if he can return.

We have 3 straight 13 win seasons and this year the storm hit. Devante decided he wouldn't stay for any price. Bak has been in and out of the lineup (although he is playing at a high level when he does play which gives me hope). Jenkins hasn't fully recovered.

So those 2 factors have really hurt our offense. That in turn has put too much pressure on the defense and Rodgers.

Over the years we have been victims of success. This makes 2x (3 maybe if you count Khalil Mack) that the Pack has been outbid for a trade because our offer of picks come too late in the round. Shit happens. I look forward to things gelling as we win 5 or 6 out of the next 7 against the "tough part" of our schedule. Hopefully this year we peak at just the right time. As I said before, not like it would be the first time a team didn't look good early and the put it together at just the right time.

I agree with the general substance of this. They will need a couple of WRs, whether in FA or draft. I don't believe for a second they bring back Cobb, Lazard, Watkins and Amari Rodgers. At most 2 of those players will be back, meaning there will be spots on the roster. No, Juwann Winfree probably isn't getting one. He's JAG.

They have had a number of things go wrong on them this year, more than perhaps the law of averages would suggest with
- injuries (Bahk, Jenkins, the WRs),
- coaching (not running the ball consistently, Joe Barry),
- execution (missed tackles, poor communication, bad blocking, dropped passes, bad QB play, Amari Rodgers returning punts),
- and what I'll call bad luck (inopportune penalties, dropped interceptions, bad snaps)

They have yet to play a complete game on offense or defense; they play a good half and disappear. Maybe they need a year for some of the younger players to click. Maybe they need more stability on the OL, or a new DC. There isn't one single silver bullet.
At some point they have to play well for all 4 quarters of a game. And yet they're one game out of a wildcard spot! I won't play the if-only game, but the margin for error is virtually nonexistent for this team. If they can execute better they will start winning some games.

[call_me_ishmael]

I disagree. 2020 will be decided by Jordan Love, but without that first we landed 1 starter 2 contributors and 2 more still on the roster that contribute some. 2021 landed 2 starters, 2 contributors and a guy who was traded for a similar pick. Every other guy is still rostered and only in their second year.

If he's a HOFer, then sure. If he's an above average starter and fringe pro bowler - nah, 2020 draft will still stink. JRJ is the only starter and he's mediocre at best. AJ Dillon is a contributor but not a great one (clearly regressed this year). Everyone else is gone or sucks. That is a truly horrible draft.

2021 looks better than 2020 but still pretty bad. Too early to truly judge, next year is make or break. I guess I just don't think Myers is ever going to be anywhere close to Linsley or a solid guy. Kinda seems oft injured and more like JC Tretter - lots of unrealized potential. The CB seems to have regressed this year.