Again, we need the Love Machine

[Anti-Polar Bear]

He held out after basically doing nothing in the NFL for 2 years and then having like 10 good games with us. I said at the time TT wouldn't forget it. After he played out the deal everyone here was convinced they would bring him back. I was the lone voice saying he was gone.

If the packers think Love is for real Rodgers MIGHT get one more year.....but he also might be traded/cut next year before the season starts.

Grant was the Pack’s only legitimate rushing attack in 2007, rushing for 956 yards and 8 TD, most of the productions came after he took over as starter after the Broncos game. Rushed for 1203 in 2008. That’s “basically nothing”?

I don’t recall Grant holding out, but if he indeed did, that doesn’t necessarily mean he was a “attention grabbing selfish” ass. Would proud, pompous Bobblehead accept a gig paying $50,000/yr when his education and work history indicate that he’s worth $500,000/yr?

Btw: Grant was 29 when his 4 year contract ended. NFL decision makers are agists. 29 is greybread for a RB, at least in the eyes of NFL decision makers. Thus, Polar Bear allowed Grant to walk the walk of life.

[bobblehead]

Can you seriously claim Rodgers is primarily responsible for the shitty record

Why not, you have claimed for a decade he is the ONLY reason for the good records.

[bobblehead]

Grant was the Pack’s only legitimate rushing attack in 2007, rushing for 956 yards and 8 TD, most of the productions came after he took over as starter after the Broncos game. Rushed for 1203 in 2008. That’s “basically nothing”?

I don’t recall Grant holding out, but if he indeed did, that doesn’t necessarily mean he was a “attention grabbing selfish” ass. Would proud, pompous Bobblehead accept a gig paying $50,000/yr when his education and work history indicate that he’s worth $500,000/yr?

Btw: Grant was 29 when his 4 year contract ended. NFL decision makers are agists. 29 is greybread for a RB, at least in the eyes of NFL decision makers. Thus, Polar Bear allowed Grant to walk the walk of life.

I'll 'grant' you that you're mostly dead on. At the time we were split on the holdout. Most sided with Grant, I said he needed to put in an actual full season before holding out (technically he wasn't holding out, he wasn't under contract, he was exclusive rights). TT also figured he needed to do it for another year before earning that big contract and when his usefulness to GB ended, the packers showed him the same loyalty he showed them.

Rodgers usefulness is nearing the end. If the brass feels good about Love they could easily show him the same loyalty he showed when he leveraged his situation to completely redo the deal he had 4? years left on.

[run pMc]

I thought Grant was a good player. Don't recall a holdout or contract issue, but I know they had Starks by the time Grant was gone, and you don't sign RBs to multi-year contracts at age 29. History shows the production falls off on RBs around age 30, and Ted was a big believer that it's better to let a player go a year early than keep than a year too long. Could argue Gute doesn't do that enough.

FWIW, I remember thinking Grant probably still had something in the tank -- I don't know that he had a lot of wear on his treads -- but they likely just wanted to go younger and cheaper

[bobblehead]

I thought Grant was a good player. Don't recall a holdout or contract issue, but I know they had Starks by the time Grant was gone, and you don't sign RBs to multi-year contracts at age 29. History shows the production falls off on RBs around age 30, and Ted was a big believer that it's better to let a player go a year early than keep than a year too long. Could argue Gute doesn't do that enough.

FWIW, I remember thinking Grant probably still had something in the tank -- I don't know that he had a lot of wear on his treads -- but they likely just wanted to go younger and cheaper

If I was super saavy at digging up old threads I'd like to dig that one up. Hoosier (who butts heads with me in FYI) actually posted my avatar and called me a genius when they parted ways with Grant. I would like to see the thread because some of the details escape me.

[run pMc]

The one that matters, Love, also performed better than him.

Rodgers has been outplayed by the opposing QB on numerous occasions this season. Being outplayed by Love had to annoy him too.

Rodgers has not been a top 10 QB using the eye test, or basic or advanced stats. I'd argue he's closer to a top-of-3rd-quartile QB. Is he playing better than Goff this season? Cousins? Look around the NFL - Brock flipping Purdy has played better than Rodgers.

Football is a team game, I wouldn't say he is solely responsible for their record. He contributes mightily to a win or a loss by the nature of the NFL and being a QB. Is it a stretch to say the team goes as he goes?

[MadtownPacker]

If I was super saavy at digging up old threads I'd like to dig that one up. Hoosier (who butts heads with me in FYI) actually posted my avatar and called me a genius when they parted ways with Grant. I would like to see the thread because some of the details escape me.

I tried to find it but there are too many threads that you called yourself a genius.

[MadtownPacker]

Rodgers has been outplayed by the opposing QB on numerous occasions this season. Being outplayed by Love had to annoy him too.

Rodgers has not been a top 10 QB using the eye test, or basic or advanced stats. I'd argue he's closer to a top-of-3rd-quartile QB. Is he playing better than Goff this season? Cousins? Look around the NFL - Brock flipping Purdy has played better than Rodgers.

Football is a team game, I wouldn't say he is solely responsible for their record. He contributes mightily to a win or a loss by the nature of the NFL and being a QB. Is it a stretch to say the team goes as he goes?

The Purdy showing from the last two weeks has only intensified the curiosity to see a young quarterback come in and have no fear of a defense. Getting the team to rally behind his energy is what I would like to see with the Packers. Last night you could see it on the Niners faces, they believe they’re going to the Super Bowl now. When Love got in his energy was obvious also. Maybe it is the human nature of being excited by something new but it translated to the field.

[texaspackerbacker]

Texxy, I would say Rodgers is responsible for two losses. That alone is the difference in the season besides the other malfunctions of the squad. We have all seen Rodgers missing passes, throwing passes in the dirt and looking noodle armed sometimes. I don’t think his thumb because it’s not really the accuracy it’s just the overall strength. Somewhere along the line Rodgers got a old on us. I’m not even sure how it happened. 20 years from now will probably blame Olivia Munn.

I can see by your second paragraph you are beginning to prepare yourself for the inevitable. I know it is hard mi compa but we will have to put ole Yeller down someday. Bobble will be here for you to tell he is an ingrate. You will be partially correct.

2 out of 8? Yeah, I'll buy that, and playing injured most of the season too.

That second paragraph? You know me - I will acknowledge the other side's view, then finish up by saying I doubt it hahahahaha. I refer you to my post about Faith in FYI.

[bobblehead]

I tried to find it but there are too many threads that you called yourself a genius.

I should be offended or feel insulted, but I don't. Aside from Alan Babre I'll put my genius against anyone.

But I dish it, I can take it. And I need you to reality check me sometimes. Lord knows the guys in FYI aren't up to the task.

[texaspackerbacker]

A true genius would be able to spell Barbre right hahahahaha.

[bobblehead]

A true genius would be able to spell Barbre right hahahahaha.

Not true....only a fool spells his name that way. And that goes more to memory of insignificant things. I leave that to you.

[MadtownPacker]

Not true....only a fool spells his name that way. And that goes more to memory of insignificant things. I leave that to you.

Dammmmn Tex, take it easy!! You leveled Bobble to the point he had to come back with a "I know you are but what am I" kinda reply.

[MadtownPacker]

I should be offended or feel insulted, but I don't. Aside from Alan Babre I'll put my genius against anyone.

But I dish it, I can take it. And I need you to reality check me sometimes. Lord knows the guys in FYI aren't up to the task.

We all gotta check ourselves before we wreck ourselves at time.

[texaspackerbacker]

Why not, you have claimed for a decade he is the ONLY reason for the good records.

You're confusing ONLY with PRIMARY.