Week 17 Other Games Thread

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Looks like equipment people are putting stuff away, so they're likely done for tonight.

yeah, after seeing both coaches hugging and on the phone, that had to be with goodell figuring out what to do next

[Joemailman]

Wasn't a really violent hit, but Hamlin took a helmet in the chest area.

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hope its not this

Commotio Cordis

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/902504-overview

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

they did just say he's at the hospital in critical condition, so he's still alive

[Fosco33]

I watched live and replays. Wasn’t bad at all - was to the left side of his chest. When he got up and fell and hit his head that looked worse.
He never clutched his chest or anything visible.

Hate to think it could’ve been rib puncturing the heart or something. Clearly cardiac

[MadScientist]

hope its not this

Commotio Cordis

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/902504-overview

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

they did just say he's at the hospital in critical condition, so he's still alive

That sounds like the most likely cause. Extremely rare, and just terrible luck. We can only hope that CPR was in time and enough for him to survive and recover. Not sure why there weren't defibrillators on hand. They have them on hand in little league parks for just such an emergency.

[bobblehead]

you can't, you just can't

i wasn't watching at the time, but from when i saw, both teams are very shaken up, you can't play right after seeing that

When I was pole vaulting in high school a kid balked on his run and his leg slipped between the mats causing a Theisman type compound fracture. No way in hell anyone was pole vaulting that day. I actually was surprised the NFL did the right thing and called it, although I think the players probably simply said no.

[bobblehead]

hope its not this

Commotio Cordis

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/902504-overview

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

they did just say he's at the hospital in critical condition, so he's still alive

I heard a lot of talking heads speculating about this, but I did hear one Dr. say that its unlikely that this was the case in a 24 year old who played football his whole life. He pointed out that it had never happened in the history of the NFL.

edit: I also just read a non expert say that if it was this he wouldn't have stood up. If the hit caused his heart to stop, he doesn't stand up before dropping. What I know from many firearm courses I have taken is that a bullet that hits the heart causes a near instant death. This makes sense, but I am not a Dr....although I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

[hoosier]

Not impossible that with commotio cordis he would have gotten up and taken a few steps before collapsing. Experiments with pigs getting hit over heart silhouette with wooden balls have shown that the first, immediate change is from normal rhythm to something that looks like polymorphic v tach, which then within a few seconds deteriorates into v fib and immediate unconsciousness. During those few seconds of "v tach," you would be conscious and ambulatory.

[MadScientist]

A few years ago, a Brewers prospect went into Commotio Cordis after being hit by a pitch. It took him months to start recovering, but he did. There's a good chance that Hamlin will recover, but I don't expect he'll play again.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ent/769416001/

[bobblehead]

Not impossible that with commotio cordis he would have gotten up and taken a few steps before collapsing. Experiments with pigs getting hit over heart silhouette with wooden balls have shown that the first, immediate change is from normal rhythm to something that looks like polymorphic v tach, which then within a few seconds deteriorates into v fib and immediate unconsciousness. During those few seconds of "v tach," you would be conscious and ambulatory.

I deleted the charts as I have no idea what they mean, but if it was studied and thats the case I believe it. As I said, the thing I read was from a non expert and I was only guessing. I'm sure this will be covered til the cows come home eventually and we will probably get some pretty solid answers. I will say this though...thats just fucking cruel, even if they were just pigs.

[hoosier]

I deleted the charts as I have no idea what they mean, but if it was studied and thats the case I believe it. As I said, the thing I read was from a non expert and I was only guessing. I'm sure this will be covered til the cows come home eventually and we will probably get some pretty solid answers. I will say this though...thats just fucking cruel, even if they were just pigs.

It's an EKG strip, not a chart. I was merely correcting the record, that Hamlin's getting up before collapsing isn't at all incompatible with cardiac arrest resulting from a sudden, ill-timed blow with no underlying condition. Cruel it may be, but what do you think modern medicine has grown up on?

[hoosier]

Interesting, but not terribly surprising, how Roger and the NFL are trying to take credit for having the good sense and decency to make the decision to suspend last night's game. Of course, they don't mention that the players and coaches first had to refuse to follow the league's directive to warm up and resume playing.

[bobblehead]

Agree, Roger is a snake. He is good at the business of football, but he is an inconsistent prick none the less.

I don't totally blame him for trying to say "the show must go on". I've never seen a game stopped for injury. Not theisman or smith. Not dickerson when he went numb from the neck down. But I also fully get the players saying forget it. Who wants to play after watching 9 minutes of CPR.

[MadScientist]

Agree, Roger is a snake. He is good at the business of football, but he is an inconsistent prick none the less.

I don't totally blame him for trying to say "the show must go on". I've never seen a game stopped for injury. Not theisman or smith. Not dickerson when he went numb from the neck down. But I also fully get the players saying forget it. Who wants to play after watching 9 minutes of CPR.

Times have changed:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...ng/ar-AA11ZCEI

[Teamcheez1]

Interesting, but not terribly surprising, how Roger and the NFL are trying to take credit for having the good sense and decency to make the decision to suspend last night's game. Of course, they don't mention that the players and coaches first had to refuse to follow the league's directive to warm up and resume playing.

That was completely false.