Official Packers vs Lions II #7 Seed Battle Royale Discussion Thread

[Fosco33]

I rewatched the week 9 contest.

Injuries played a huge role in the dome:
- Cobb was out
- Doubs got hurt on one of first plays (and the time was a go-to target)
- Rodgers looked like the thumb was really affecting him. Recall 3 INTs - 2 in goal to go. That won’t happen again.
- Watson left w/ Concussion
- Gary, Bahk (returned), Stokes, Jones, Barnes

At one point it was Watkins and Amari as primary targets w/ Lazard (shoulder) as the one making plays. A couple key near catches. Samari Toure led the WRs in plays…

ARod was our leading rusher that game.
We out earned the Lions w/ about 400 vs 250 yards of offense.

The game was basically a fluke w/ the INTs. Heck we only punted once.

With Cobb, Doubs, Watson and a much better Jones/Dillon and a healthier ARod (addition by subtracting Watkins/Amari), this will be a much better showing of converting those long drives to TDs.

[Fritz]

For there to be any semblance of equality between the two, Love would need to buy in completely to Rodgers'attitude of not throwing interceptions - that and having the accuracy and mental capacity to make it work. I don't see that in him. It seems like the very best we could ever expect from him is to rise to the level of the "good" pocket passes around the league - all of whom throw way more picks than Rodgers over his career. And I don't see Love as overly mobile or able to run like Jackson, Hurts, or Fields. He's about as mobile as 39 year old Rodgers, which ain't bad.

Rodgers's attitude or intention may be good, but he's throw eleven interceptions this year. His accuracy is also not been all that great this year.

I am ready to see if Jordan Love can be a good or even very good NFL QB. I say they trade Rodgers after June 1, no matter what happens the rest of this year. Get what they can, take the hit on the cap, and then you can find out if Love is your guy. If he is, great. If he's not, you can start looking now for the next GB HOF QB.

[Fosco33]

Rodgers's attitude or intention may be good, but he's throw eleven interceptions this year. His accuracy is also not been all that great this year.

I am ready to see if Jordan Love can be a good or even very good NFL QB. I say they trade Rodgers after June 1, no matter what happens the rest of this year. Get what they can, take the hit on the cap, and then you can find out if Love is your guy. If he is, great. If he's not, you can start looking now for the next GB HOF QB.

Agreed

[RashanGary]

Rodgers is gonna shut the critics up on Sunday and into the playoffs. He’s healthy. His supporting cast is finally serviceable compared to awful early in the year. He’s still a great player.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Rodgers's attitude or intention may be good, but he's throw eleven interceptions this year. His accuracy is also not been all that great this year.

I am ready to see if Jordan Love can be a good or even very good NFL QB. I say they trade Rodgers after June 1, no matter what happens the rest of this year. Get what they can, take the hit on the cap, and then you can find out if Love is your guy. If he is, great. If he's not, you can start looking now for the next GB HOF QB.

This aging burger flipping loser was born in 1982. Plenty of teams have thus far failed to produce a HOF QB during my wretched existence. The fucking point is, HOF QBs aren’t mass assembled at your local factory. It takes lots of luck to land one via the draft - like, Mike Sherman making the playoffs after a 2-6 start, setting the stage up for Butte to fall onto the majestic Polar Bear’s lap (Thompson loved Demarcus Ware; had Sherman not made the playoffs, Thompson woulda drafted Ware with a top 10 pick).

Love is still under contract for at least one more season. Bring back Butte and see if he can prove that this season, at least statistically, is a fluke. Never mind that a washed up Peyton Manning won his last Super Bowl with the worst stats of his career, or that the almighty Elway had devolved into a game manager in his last two seasons. If Butte struggles next season, we’ll surely find out the truth about Love one way or another. If Butte has another MVP season, who gives fuck about Love? If Butte has a so-so season, trade Butte (assuming he doesn’t retire) and tag Love. If Love struggles in 2024, let him walk the walk of life - and then trade 3 1sts for Mahommes.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Also, sure, Butte’s game has been mediocre at times. But he doesn’t look washed up to this shutdown corner. Looks like a still-Wu-Tang QB who has no intimate chemistry with the young uns. Still pretty athletic for a 39 year old graybeard.

I say give Butte one more season before shipping him off to Peru.

[run pMc]

Not sure how this devolved into a fate of Rodgers thread, but I think Gute & Co. want him back, and Rodgers wants to be back. He's effectively the assistant GM, and has about 60million reasons to return next season. I don't think they will trade him. I think trading Love is more likely tbh.

As for Rodgers' performance this year, he has not thrown for 300 yards ONCE. Against the Vikings he had a very pedestrian game and didn't even crack 200 yards. He's inconsistent with his accuracy, and still doesn't go thru his progressions and has a tendency to play hero-ball on 3rd or 4th and short. You can count multiple times every game where he either doesn't see or ignores open receivers to make a different and often riskier throw. His mobility and arm are ok, but not what they were. There's a big difference between age 39 and 29 athletically. He is smart and his release and pocket presence are still very good, but he's starting to take dumb sacks. His turnover numbers (picks + fumbles) are up. He's a franchise QB about midway along the freefall they all have as they age. If there has been a game this year where's he's been an MVP QB, please remind me. I think he'll be 'good enough' for another year, but after that you're probably hanging on too long.

He looked meh in 2017 and 2018 and turned out to consecutive MVP seasons. He looks like 2017 Rodgers again this year but counting on him to follow up with more MVP seasons at his age is a losing bet.

[bobblehead]

The Lions' offense is playing like a machine. The offensive line is the engine that drives it all - why do you all think that Preston Smith and Co. can bring pressure against that line? Or stop the run against that line?

Kenny Clark's gonna be invisible. The rest will look like journeymen, as they are. It's going to be ugly.

And Rodgers, in the cold, is going to play like the shriveled weiner he has become.

I think you all are crazy to be so optimistic. Lions are 7 - 1 over the last eight; Packers are 5 - 3.

I think you are just doing that Fritz jinx thing, but I can't be sure so I have to ask....what about the last 4? Or the last 2? Data is a funny thing when you play with the start and end cycle.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Lions' offense is playing like a machine. The offensive line is the engine that drives it all - why do you all think that Preston Smith and Co. can bring pressure against that line? Or stop the run against that line?

Kenny Clark's gonna be invisible. The rest will look like journeymen, as they are. It's going to be ugly.

And Rodgers, in the cold, is going to play like the shriveled weiner he has become.

I think you all are crazy to be so optimistic. Lions are 7 - 1 over the last eight; Packers are 5 - 3.

Lions are 6-2 over their last 8 games. They are 3-1 on the road over that stretch, but they barely beat Chicago 31-30, beat the Giants with a +3 turnover margin, beat a Jets team that is reeling (20-17), and got blown out by Carolina (37-23). I think there's truth to them being a much better home team than road team. They got blown out by Dallas and New England on the road earlier in the year and lost a close game to a Minnesota team that always seems to play in close games (when they aren't getting blown out).

[Fritz]

I think you are just doing that Fritz jinx thing, but I can't be sure so I have to ask....what about the last 4? Or the last 2? Data is a funny thing when you play with the start and end cycle.

The thing about the Fritz jinx is that I really do believe what I'm writing. I'm just particularly bad at predictions. For example, I really, really thought the Packers would be very, very good this year. I thought the defense would be great - I was so excited as I love a great defense - and the offense would be sluggish but the defense would carry the team.

That clearly has not happened. Even since the Packers started winning, the defense looks very gashable.

So I was wrong. In years I was convinced the Packers would suck, they've been good - until the playoffs.

So I am not deliberately reverse-jinxing. I really think the Lions are playing great and are going to be hard to beat.

But I am finding that what I think about the Packers is very often wrong.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Not sure how this devolved into a fate of Rodgers thread, but I think Gute & Co. want him back, and Rodgers wants to be back. He's effectively the assistant GM, and has about 60million reasons to return next season. I don't think they will trade him. I think trading Love is more likely tbh.

As for Rodgers' performance this year, he has not thrown for 300 yards ONCE. Against the Vikings he had a very pedestrian game and didn't even crack 200 yards. He's inconsistent with his accuracy, and still doesn't go thru his progressions and has a tendency to play hero-ball on 3rd or 4th and short. You can count multiple times every game where he either doesn't see or ignores open receivers to make a different and often riskier throw. His mobility and arm are ok, but not what they were. There's a big difference between age 39 and 29 athletically. He is smart and his release and pocket presence are still very good, but he's starting to take dumb sacks. His turnover numbers (picks + fumbles) are up. He's a franchise QB about midway along the freefall they all have as they age. If there has been a game this year where's he's been an MVP QB, please remind me. I think he'll be 'good enough' for another year, but after that you're probably hanging on too long.

He looked meh in 2017 and 2018 and turned out to consecutive MVP seasons. He looks like 2017 Rodgers again this year but counting on him to follow up with more MVP seasons at his age is a losing bet.

You’ve got some nice points in the above post. But I will say that Butte played like an MVP in the Cowfucker game.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ole Fritz is being a Debbie Downer cos he, much like Bobble, hates it when he’s proven wrong. We all know that every time time proves Bobble right about shit, he likes to pop up “Vindicated” by the Dashboard Confessional and sing along with the chorus:

I am selfish, I am wrong
I am right, I swear I'm right
Swear I knew it all along
And I am flawed
But I am cleaning up so well
I am seeing in me now
The things you swore you saw yourself

Anyways, if anyone takes the time to reread the Balding Eagle GameDay thread, she’ll perceive the Kentucky calling me a “mooch.”

And ole Fritz was like, shut the fuck up, Collinsworth, the Packer season is fucked - team has 7 losses. I was like, chill, hombre, even with a loss to the Balding Eagles, the Packers still have a mathematical shot at the dance. Fritz was like, just cos you have a mathematical chance of being more than a burger flipper ain’t mean you’ll be more than a burger flipper.

A Packer victory this week would be the sign I needed to finally quit burger flipping. If the Packers could prove Fritz wrong, so, too, could I.

[Bretsky]

Winning this game is a given IMO. Detroit is improved but really not that good. If we can't beat Detroit at home we are not good at all and don't deserve to be mentioned in the playoff calibur teams.

We will win. The season starts when the playoffs begin.

[run pMc]

You’ve got some nice points in the above post. But I will say that Butte played like an MVP in the Cowfucker game.

Agree that was his best game of the season. He overcame an early sack-fumble and made some good throws. I suspect he had a lot of motivation playing against McCarthy.

And yet, he only threw 20 passes that game.

[George Cumby]

Lions are 6-2 over their last 8 games. They are 3-1 on the road over that stretch, but they barely beat Chicago 31-30, beat the Giants with a +3 turnover margin, beat a Jets team that is reeling (20-17), and got blown out by Carolina (37-23). I think there's truth to them being a much better home team than road team. They got blown out by Dallas and New England on the road earlier in the year and lost a close game to a Minnesota team that always seems to play in close games (when they aren't getting blown out).

Carolina tore them a new one on the ground.

If the Packers do the same, I think they are in decent shape.