WHAT IS GUTEBAG'S BIGGEST MISTAKE/S SO FAR AS OUR GM ????

[Fritz]

Thing is, Ish, by that logic it's the Packers' fault for making Rodgers uncomfortable? Geez, better not draft a left tackle, or Bakh will get pissed!

I disagree with you. I think it's the constant swings and misses on third round guys that cost this team a SB. Or maybe not drafting the right guy in the second round of a draft, like NOT Josh Jackson.

[Bretsky]

i struggle with my own poll

And I almost added making Bach the highest paid in the NFL as option 5

I agree that drafting Love was our 1st and 4th rounder was a huge mistake and had we stayed put and drafted Tee Higgins it might have means another championship

Also think not resigning Devante when he still wanted to stay in GB was a huge mistake. Many in the know blame Gute for not offering the 2MIL more per year to get it down. In the end, one year later, Devante got a lot more. Rodgers or not, with Adams leaving and Gutebag's failure to get another legit talent at WR to go with Devante screwed us royally last year

But in the end, while I feel the two above points are were serious fuck ups (one could add not ever getting a legit #2 WR in the poll as well), when Aaron turned KAREN we had a huge opportunity to get a kings ransom from Denver.....the motherload of all f'ck ups was not trading Karen Rodgers, and instead giving him a ridiculous deal for the "Green Bay Packers' that we will regret for years and years to come. And we gave him that AFTER Devante left, when we had no real chance at a championship anymore anyways. We overestimated our own talent, ignorantly thinking bringing a Karen back could take us the the Big Show without the WR that helped him shine

[King Friday]

The failure to me is twofold. Losing Adams and choosing to keep Rodgers was beyond dumb. The GM should’ve made sure he had both onboard when Rodgers was given the massive extension. Otherwise, it should not have been signed. The Packers had struggled to get over the hump with Adams. The team had no chance without him.

If there was no way to keep Adams, then Rodgers should’ve been traded.

[Deputy Nutz]

Who's trading an MVP? That MVP then went on to win another MVP. The biggest mistake they made was clearly drafting Love when they did as it stands today. It won't be a mistake if he turns out great but that action ended up walking out Rodgers. They probably would have won a super bowl if they took Higgins.

I think Rodgers is too egotistical to think the Love pick was anything but a backup option, if anything he viewed it as a wasted pick. He wanted to be the highest paid QB in the League, and he wanted older veterans to live in fantasy land in the NFL and have jobs for ever and have the red carpet brought out each time a veteran walked into the Packer locker room. He couldn't win a championship being the MVP so he wanted his contract extended to make him the highest paid player. Obviously he refuses to be compared to Favre or handle the situation publicly in any way shape or form the way Brett handled it. Rodgers was of course about the drafting of Love. Love also posed no threat to Rodgers until now, and of course he wants to play for another team now, similar to Favre.

[run pMc]

I don't think it was a mistake drafting Love, it likely lit a fire under Rodgers and led to 2 years of MVP play.
I have said several times they needed to draft a QB eventually, I just felt they took one a year too early. I wanted a WR that draft. Trading up for Love meant they had to give up a R4 which resulted in them taking Deguara a round early (at least). Not great, but they have a succession plan from Rodgers.

The biggest error was giving up power and that structure of the contract extension -- the longer it goes, the more expensive it gets. Many contracts have decreasing cap hits as they go... this one increases and paints the team into a corner. That's bad cap management.
Maybe that's on Russ Ball or Murphy and not Gute.

Gute's made plenty of mistakes, but he's done some good things too.

[texaspackerbacker]

Do you seriously think THAT - to light a fire under Rodgers - was the reason they drafted Love? Seriously? Granted, it seemed to work out that way, but an NFL executive thinking like that? Come on, man hahahahaha.

The contract was DESIGNED to assure that there would be such a big price to pay for either Rodgers or the team if Rodgers left that it wouldn't happen - the reason I did then and still do call it a Glorious Contract. If he continues to play for the Packers (still doubtful, I suppose) and that contract is part of the reason why, then anybody calling himself a Packer fan will be thankful. If he goes, either by trade or retirement, it's doom and gloom for all of us who claim to be Packer fans.

"Many contracts have decreasing cap hits as they go" - that's just factually wrong. Almost all have a small hit at the beginning with a big load at the end which is expected to result either in a restructure or a cut.

[run pMc]

Lighting a fire under Rodgers was NOT the reason they drafted Love, but it was the result.

Slight clarification to earlier comment: The cap hit (savings) improves as a contract goes on, even if the cap space used for the contract that year goes up. It's usually because signing of prorated bonuses and how that money hits in year 1 vs. Year 3 vs. Year 5.

In fact, Rodgers contract is so bizarre that several people have written in-depth articles explaining it, and they agree it's bad for the team's cap. What contract do you know of causes a 99M cap hit?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I voted for drafting Love, as THAT more than anything else led to the shitstorm going on now. That applies either way, if Love is a total flop or if he is a decent QB. His absolute ceiling is well below what Rodgers has been and would continue to be.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lighting a fire under Rodgers was NOT the reason they drafted Love, but it was the result.

It was a routine move that every other NFL GM would have done.

Tex was right that Love is not likely to be as good as Rodgers, a hall of famer. so what

[Harlan Huckleby]

I voted for the drafting of Love. And this is not a "hindsight" situation, either. I nearly ripped my TV off the wall and threw it on the ground when that pick was made. Did AR have some mediocre seasons prior to the Love pick? Yeah, sure. But this wasn't a situation at that time like Favre, where AR was threatening to retire every single year. At that point, he had repeatedly stated his desire to retire a Packer and not until at least 40. That pick was so fucking stupid I still steam about it years later.

Teams ALWAYS seek plan Bs for the QB position - actually for every position. Remember all the promising QBs that Ron Wolfe drafted and later traded?
It's true that Love was a #1, but he dropped to the end of the round and was seen as an irresistible value.

Packers were not pushing Rodgers out the door. They were just covering their bases. AR had every opportunity to play well and keep Love on the bench or on the trading block.

[run pMc]

Teams ALWAYS seek plan Bs for the QB position - actually for every position. Remember all the promising QBs that Ron Wolfe drafted and later traded?
It's true that Love was a #1, but he dropped to the end of the round and was seen as an irresistible value.

Packers were not pushing Rodgers out the door. They were just covering their bases. AR had every opportunity to play well and keep Love on the bench or on the trading block.

This. There is nothing wrong with drafting a QB when your starter has had 3 straight seasons outside the top 5 QBs (he went 23-16-1, all 3 seasons w/ passer rating below 100) and just finished his age 36 season. That's covering your bases.
As players age they become more susceptible to injury.
What's wrong with having a good backup at QB? Now, maybe they didn't need to take one in R1, but Love was likely too good a prospect -- some had him in the top 10 -- to pass up.

I don't consider it a bad or wasted pick, not yet anyway. If he stinks it up I might change my mind, but all he is then is a bridge to the next QB they'll take.
Also, if MLF is any good with QBs and the Shanny/McVay offense is QB friendly he should at least be ok. Maybe never Rodgers good (Rodgers is possibly the most talented QB ever) but plenty of lesser QBs have taken their teams to SBs.

[texaspackerbacker]

Picking Love, even trading up for it was not a huge mistake because Love is crap - he may be, or he may be good. The reason it was a huge bad move is that it triggered the whole shitstorm of events we see nowadays. And as I said, as Harlan said, and probably some others who aren't totally out of it also know, Love's absolute ceiling is nowhere near as good as the average of Rodgers' years in his career, maybe not even to the level of Rodgers' "bad" years like last year.

IF Rodgers is indeed gone - hopefully not but probably yes, and iF people are willing to settle for that level of a replacement, then whatever. Love probably ain't complete crap. He might be fairly good, but that plus everything else adds up to what I consider mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

I'd rather have several more years of greatness with Rodgers at QB. It's downright weird how so few of ya'all don't see it that way.

[RashanGary]

You’re not one of the good, normals Tex. You’re an odd ball with odd ball ideas!

[run pMc]

I'd like several more years of greatness with Rodgers at QB.

Except he almost retired or demanded trades the last 3 years, and even Woody Johnson is scared he's only playing one more year... so the "several more years" part is wishful thinking. There's a better than 50/50 chance by Rodgers own admission (if we believe him) that he's done after this year. He's 39, even he doesn't think he has several more years. I don't know why you do.

The "greatness" part might also be wishful thinking, if you watch the last 21 games of Rodgers tape. The moments of greatness are fewer and fewer. That, combined with his cost, are why people don't see it the way you do.
($60M for 8-9 or 10-7 and a WC loss? yuck.)

[sharpe1027]

If Rodgers couldn't handle that a rookie QB, unproven but with some upside, came into camp and that caused all this...where to begin?