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Woody,
Overall, there are too many incomplete items to give TT a grade.
From what can be graded:
Hawk: positive
Jennings: positive
Poppinga: leaning toward negative
Cullen Jenkins: positive
Koren Robinson: negative - no matter how talented
Cory Rodgers: negative
As for letting Longwell go, he never even let the Packers provide an offer. As soon as he got an offer from the Vikes, he was gone.
As for Wahle, yes, I wished he would have done more to keep him, but we were up against it at the time capwise. Plus the Panthers were offering WAY more plus the promise to start at tackle.
Sharper, it was OK in letting him go.
The biggest negative thing TT has is his perpetual desire to find the diamond in the rough. Junius Coston, Mike Hawkins, Will Whitaker, Cory Rodgers just don't have it. Not terribly keen on the constant tradedowns in the draft.
Harlan/Jones won't can TT anyway unless it gets to be like under Ray Rhodes' regime (discipline-wise).
As for McCarthy, if he sinks by end of next season, the SS Ted Thompson will go down with him.-digital dean
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Doing the job right will take some time.
Blindly expecting the team to perpetually win year after year is unrealistic. Patching the steadily sinking ship year after year was not the answer, either.
Thompson is rebuilding; a truly championship-quality team is the goal, and the hysterical will just have to take the bumpy process.
Yelling for the man's head because he is trying to build a winner and it's not happening overnight is awfully immature & unrealistic.Who Knows? The Shadow knows!Comment
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I totally agree with your remarks, Dean. But there's no way McCarthy goes unless the Packers look worse than last year.
Drafting TT has made a positive impact on the team. In the first three rounds he has made his picks count. Collins, Jennings, Hawk, Hodge, and probably Rodgers. If the team doesn't improve next season, his ass is probably gone.
IMO, next year will a good year. Each player will gain a year in experience, especially the O-line, because they need it. Favre may not come back, but I have confidence in A-Rod. For next season I see our biggest need being RB.
BTW, if any body has a subscription to KFFL, could you post the list of 2007 Free Agents please."I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael FinleyComment
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As I said in another thread, if it's any consolation Lions fans are SCREAMING for Matt Millen's head, and are all confident the Lions will lose to the Pack next week.
Lions' fans have a point about the GM; Packer fans don't - yet. Everyone who's associated with football points out that it's ridiculous to grade a draft until three years have passed, yet so many critics out there think TT should be fired now. WTF?? His first draft class is in the beginning - the beginning - of its second year. It's frankly too soon. Sure, it's frustrating right now, but it had to be frustrating to be a Cinci fan three years ago, and now that team has an offensive line and playmakers that have been together long enough to start cooking.
This offensive line will be much better by the end of the year. And next year it will be even better. Look at Colledge - already he has improved since preseason, and people online said he played okay today.
If, after next year, the Packers are not CLEARLY on the way up - I mean headed to the playoffs with a legitimate chance to go to the championship game - then TT's time will be up. But he's only had one season; it's too soon to throw him under the bus. Remember how frustrated Seattle fans were three years ago, too."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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I agree Fritz. I think it a legitimate hope for the Pack to finish with at least 7 wins this year, a playoff spot next year, and a championship caliber team in 2008."I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael FinleyComment
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Don't have a KFFL subscription, but here's what I found thus far of the bigger names (source- footballsfuture.com):Originally posted by BallHawk
QB: Chris Simms, Matt Schaub, Patrick Ramsay
RB: Tiki Barber, Ahman Green, Michael Turner (SD), Chris Brown (Tenn), Ladell Betts (Wash), Correll Buckhalter (Eagles), Nick Goings (Carolina), Michael Pittman (TB)
WR: Drew Bennett (Tenn), Kevin Curtis (St. Louis), David Boston (TB), Jerome Pathon (Atl), Kelley Washington (Cinn)
TE: Eric Johnson (SF), Kyle Brady (Jax), Jerramy Stevens (Seattle)
OL: Leonard Davis (T- Ariz), Mike Gandy (T- Buffalo), Levi Jones, (Cinn), Roman Oben (SD), Floyd Womack (Seattle)
DL: Hollis Thomas, (NO), Jared Allen (restricted - KC), Vonnie Holliday (Miami)
LB: Lance Briggs (Chi), Cato June (Colts), Nail Diggs (Carolina), London Fletcher (Buffalo), Randall Godfrey (SD), Rob Morris (Colts)
DB: Nate Clements (Buffalo), Ken Hamlin (Seattle), John Lynch (Denver), Nick Harper (Colts)
K: Nate Kaeding (SD), Rian Lindell (Buffalo)-digital dean
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What a YICKY free agent class next year.... TT better pull out another magical draft. Remember: we got Ahman via a draft day trade.
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Of course, this doesn't include the FAW's (Free Agent Wannabe's) who want to pull a Javon Walker or Deion Branch maneuver.Originally posted by jack's smirking revenge
And please...no Jerry Porter!!
-digital dean
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There are a few guys in here that I like.Originally posted by digitaldean
Michael Turner
Kelley Washington
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Originally posted by Scott Campbell
That's what my wife is for. Doncha remember?"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Scott I read your post above and I thought about it.Originally posted by Scott Campbell
First thought:
I wish I had the time to explain my LIFE to YOU and acquaint YOU with all I have to be "in myself" to deal with people I LOVE and their needs for instant gratification.
Second thought:
I am wondering how sarcasm plays out "in Heaven or Hell"?
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Originally posted by Bossman641
I'd sign Vonnie Holliday, Nail Diggs and Najeh Davenport.more freedom, less government. Go Sarah!Comment
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"digitaldean"]Woody,
I am going to resond inside your post digitaldean
Overall, there are too many incomplete items to give TT a grade.
From what can be graded:
Hawk: positive
(wb27... check)
Jennings: positive
(wb27... check)
Poppinga: leaning toward negative
( wb27... real talent and maybe he's being pushed a tad to soon..give himmore of a backup role and use him to his strength's.Popp has proven to be a value on ST's too)
Cullen Jenkins: positive
(check...a young 25 yr.old and developing DL with versatility as he can play DT/DE)
Koren Robinson: negative - no matter how talented
( wb27...just on an ethical basis thinking only of his needs /problems and the proper attention he must pay to his alcoholism, he didn't need more enabling. If Ted Thompson was to read this, haha...I'm advising him to strongly encourage that KR get proper HELP ASAP, and support him through that, not otherwise as in playing time now with us. NOT any gurantee's but
"come back here for a talk once you are really ready,Koren". TT has to get smart fast here, or it will blow up in his face. This move is like a nerved up bloak waving a loaded gun in a crowded room. DANGEROUS for Ted Thompson.)
Cory Rodgers: negative
(wb27... what was that all about? )
As for letting Longwell go, he never even let the Packers provide an offer. As soon as he got an offer from the Vikes, he was gone.
(wb27...Yes... Longwell wanted out and to kick in a DOME )
As for Wahle, yes, I wished he would have done more to keep him, but we were up against it at the time capwise. Plus the Panthers were offering WAY more plus the promise to start at tackle.
(wb27...That was about timing. It had to be done ASAP and it wasn't and Wahle did what you or i would.Leave a Team in decline for the BIG paycheck and a real shot at a ring.Trouble is we certainly needed him and I believe hhe would be with us today if TT had showed him the money. I read a quote fr. Mike Wahle that said clearly he wanted to remain a Packer.[b]TT drug his feet as he has a penchat to do and ..see ya.)
TT at other times acts a tad hasty.
Sharper, it was OK in letting him go.
(wb27...Sharper wasn't happy in Green Bay either,like Ryan Lonwell and age was a factor in meeting his needs and really his play was in decline with us but he rebounded with a Pro Bowl appearance in Minny. Good for him, but againhe wanted more or he was out... that seldom plays )
The biggest negative thing TT has is his perpetual desire to find the diamond in the rough. ** Junius Coston, Mike Hawkins, Will Whitaker, Cory Rodgers just don't have it. Not terribly keen on the constant tradedowns in the draft.
(wb27...** Junius still may develop. I liked what his play in College promised us. Do you recall the report of all the pancake blocks he accounted for. If he doesn't find that again he may be making alot of pancakes at the pancake House.)
Harlan/Jones won't can TT anyway unless it gets to be like under Ray Rhodes' regime (discipline-wise).
(wb27... Bob Harlan will soon be gone and I really believe this will get bad, If "the Packers" don't start to string some wins this season.Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are going to be facing some serious HEAT as Packer fans are not going to support losing as we did fr. 1970 - till WOLF - Holmgren -Favre)
As for McCarthy, if he sinks by end of next season, the SS Ted Thompson will go down with him.
(wb27... Why TRUST to wait one more season... if we loose? We have been since TT arrived? Today, since OUR GM Ted Thompson, we are .....
4 W -14 L ,or a losing percentage of 0.222 and that is dreadful. How many scapegoats are they going to have to determine?
I am a straight up person... digitaldean. I expect the straight up from anyone, and certainly that the GM of the TEAM I LOVE is competent ,honest,alert and that is spelled "straight up everyday" that he's OUR GM.
Some of us are not far apart as we do support OUR position's " with the facts", not just with pronouncements of faith and trust, and well he did this or that right and that has to count for...whatever.
I really only want the BEST for OUR team. I certainly don't hold for any Bullshit or scapegoating tactics. )
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
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