I love the combination of Musgrave and Kraft. Musgrave is more flex than inline--although he's a willing blocker. The second best flex option in this draft IMHO--behind Kincaid. He's a bit better as a blocker than Kincaid but not nearly as dynamic after the catch. Kraft is more like Mayer. He's not as good of a blocker at this point as Mayer, but he's a bit more dynamic of an athlete. I see Greg Olsen in Musgrave's game and I see Dallas Goedert in Kraft's game.
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Kittle had over 500 yards receiving his rookie year. I'd hardly call that crummy.Originally posted by RashanGary View PostI looked at Kelce, Kittle and Grahams careers. They broke out in year 2 and had crummy rookie years. So year 2 looks like best case.
Graham is kind of an odd duck. He played basketball in college. He only played one year of football at Miami and had 17 receptions. It was going to take him time.
Kelce only played one game his rookie year before being put on IR."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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If we can get about 350-450 yards receiving from each of these guys in year 1, that will be a good start. TEs generally take longer to develop, but there's nobody in front of these guys, so I'd expect a bit better production than normal. The Packers are going to have to live with their rookie mistakes--because there are no other options."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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Kraft is ok. I wouldn't compare him or Musgrave to Kelce, Kelce is kind of a unicorn.
(Side note for the college stat readers: Kelce's 3-year total college career stats were 59 catches 875 yds 10 TDs, consider that if don't like Musgrave or Kraft's stats)
Agree he's kind of a Mayer-lite, and I think in a draft with average TE depth would be a R2 pick. He timed faster than he seems at 4.69, anything around a 4.7 is good enough for a TE. I think he's got some YAC ability and he can block.
he's what most would call a good value pick in R3 and he also fills a need so it's even better.
IMO Jordan Love has shown more propensity to throw to the TE than Rodgers, I think 50-60 catches for 700-800 yards and about 7-8 TDs combined for Musgrave/Kraft wouldn't be surprising.
Deguara could poach some of those catches as an H-back/move guy as well as the rookies learn the ropes.
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One thing he has that we both like and cannot be taught is redneck toughness. He won’t be getting bullied that’s for sure. At only 22 he hasn’t even fully matured into his big body and will get more solid. Packers needed a dirty white boy TE and this guy seems like he might fit the role.Originally posted by RashanGary View PostMoves real well for a big guy. I try to block out the level of competition and just observe how he moves and compare it in my mind to Kelce and Kittle. He moves as well as Kelce. He has a lot of upside. 4.69 might be just solid, not spectacular, but his burst and movement is elite for his size. This is my favorite pick for the spot in the draft. Van Ness is a top 13 pick so obviously he has a better shot, but in the 3rd round, this kid is crazy. Great pick!
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This kid breaks the 3rd round curse. No doubt! Only thing he’s missing is deep speed, but that’s not as important when all three of your WRs are deep threats. He still has average deep speed and top end everything else.Originally posted by MadtownPacker View PostOne thing he has that we both like and cannot be taught is redneck toughness. He won’t be getting bullied that’s for sure. At only 22 he hasn’t even fully matured into his big body and will get more solid. Packers needed a dirty white boy TE and this guy seems like he might fit the role.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.
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Some guys just know how to play to the crowd.Tucker Kraft
@TuckerKraft
There really is a culvers at every Wisconsin exit and I’m here for it.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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That should find him the way to the WI folks hearts, through their stomachs. I believe that’s where RetailGuy took me to eat on the way to GB. It is some good stuff with the butter burger and the fried cheese curds. I think I want to go again this season like I did for Rodgers first year.Originally posted by Joemailman View PostSome guys just know how to play to the crowd.
You got your own place now JH? Is weed legal in WI now?
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I'll smuggle in the vape pens from Vegas.Originally posted by MadtownPacker View PostThat should find him the way to the WI folks hearts, through their stomachs. I believe that’s where RetailGuy took me to eat on the way to GB. It is some good stuff with the butter burger and the fried cheese curds. I think I want to go again this season like I did for Rodgers first year.
You got your own place now JH? Is weed legal in WI now?
The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi
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Got my own place. But mostly stay at my gfs. Weed not legal, but they don’t mess with people too much unless you’re being blatant. Puff on the vape when you’re in the car or public and smoke in your house works.Originally posted by MadtownPacker View PostThat should find him the way to the WI folks hearts, through their stomachs. I believe that’s where RetailGuy took me to eat on the way to GB. It is some good stuff with the butter burger and the fried cheese curds. I think I want to go again this season like I did for Rodgers first year.
You got your own place now JH? Is weed legal in WI now?
I think I’m a little older than Bretsky was last time, so I need to up my game at the Oval Office this time around!Formerly known as JustinHarrell.
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