Official Training Camp Thread

[call_me_ishmael]

Again, I recall meeting Jeffery Lurie's wife. She laughed and said "owners and fans always believe they are JUST ONE MORE PLAYER away". Its a joke of course because you assume that if only we had gone even MORE all in we would have won it. There is no evidence to support your theory as if it were true every owner would go all in every year and win it every year. 32 Lombardi Trophies per year. YEA. Otherwise known as participation trophies.

I like that quote but man I would have liked to see them at least try. It is just unfortunate. I don't think every team can go all-in every year. You have to make long term sacrifices to truly go all in. That's why the Broncos has been ass since those Peyton years. It'd be worth it to get the ring though.

[call_me_ishmael]

LOL good one!

I have trouble understanding how extending your QB with a $59M bonus isn't going all in.

I agree they paid all of those players and treated Rodgers well but I think they could have done more. Like... what about signing OBJ or another weapon during the season? Remember they were nitting over a few mil? Coulda made the difference to getting to the big game potentially. Or what about bro receiver in SF - he may have been the difference against the Bucs or the Niners. And what about Justin Jefferson - if they liked him they should have moved up and got him before the Vikes did. They were one That Dude TM away. Who cares about future picks when you are one That Dude TM away!

[call_me_ishmael]

If Brandon Bostick doesn't try to field that onside kick, if Bakhtiari doesn't tear his ACL in New Years Eve practice in 2020, if Packers get punt off in 2021, would they have been all in?

I dont recall the situation in 2014 as far as roster, etc, but i do think most acknowledged they were gonna lose some dudes after that team. Maybe not all in, but man, that 2014 squad was the best Rodgers team IMO.

I just feel like they could have done more, especially in 2021. It just sucks to have not got one. Hopefully they get one with Love.

[Fritz]

Hey, did anybody see if Daniel Whelan punted in the exhibition game, and if so, how did he do? More importantly, was he the holder for any kicks? I have a feeling if the guy is a good holder that O'Donnell will be out of a job.

[Joemailman]

Hey, did anybody see if Daniel Whelan punted in the exhibition game, and if so, how did he do? More importantly, was he the holder for any kicks? I have a feeling if the guy is a good holder that O'Donnell will be out of a job.

He punted for 42 and 43 yards. I know the first one wasn't very good but coverage was good holding it to 5 yard return.He and O'Donnell split the holding duties. O'Donnell was the holder on the 2 missed extra points.

[bobblehead]

If Brandon Bostick doesn't try to field that onside kick, if Bakhtiari doesn't tear his ACL in New Years Eve practice in 2020, if Packers get punt off in 2021, would they have been all in?

If Micah Hyde doesn't let a Krapernick pass slip through his hands in what would have been a pick 6....

If, but, however. Bottom line, if you don't win the trophy every year some people will claim you didn't go "all in" enough. Ironically the chefs have won 2 trophies cuz they went all in....not because they have the absolute best QB in the game. And teams that win it with bad QBs don't count cuz the theory is that you must have a great QB to compete. Show me the theory and I'll bend the evidence to support it.

[bobblehead]

I like that quote but man I would have liked to see them at least try. It is just unfortunate. I don't think every team can go all-in every year. You have to make long term sacrifices to truly go all in. That's why the Broncos has been ass since those Peyton years. It'd be worth it to get the ring though.

Actually the broncos went all in to get Russell Wilson...the missing piece. They just didn't go "all in" enough I guess. They needed to trade the 2024-2026 drafts as well and pay another guy 30% of the cap. That would have gotten it done.

[bobblehead]

This year the Jets went "all in". When they lock us into both picks next year to land Bak they will be even more "all in". We, on the other hand, are the recipients of the "all in" moves. Lets see who wins and Owl sooner.

[run pMc]

Ironically the chefs have won 2 trophies cuz they went all in....not because they have the absolute best QB in the game.

Love this hahaha
Yeah that Tyreek Hill trade really screamed 'all in'.
Mahomes can pull off losing his best receiver, Rodgers can't, therefore no way is Rodgers the GOAT. Yes, I'm joking. Travis Kelce is a monster.

[smuggler]

Fortunately Mahomes was still in his early prime - young/dynamic/athletic, had an elite coach, and a Hall of Fame tight end. It's not exactly apples to apples with twilight Rodgers.

Things might have been different in Rodgers' career here with a coach a little smarter than ol' pigfucker McCarthy or if he has been less stubborn. But that's part of what made Rodgers special - his indignant stubbornness. I appreciate him for that, even when he's playing the space cadet.

[call_me_ishmael]

This year the Jets went "all in". When they lock us into both picks next year to land Bak they will be even more "all in". We, on the other hand, are the recipients of the "all in" moves. Lets see who wins and Owl sooner.

The Jets didn't go all in this year. I totally disagree with that. Broncos sorta to get Wilson, but even then not really - they have money to spend just no draft picks.

[run pMc]

If they haven't gone all-in, they're pretty darn close. Redoing contracts, including Rodgers, to fit under the cap, signing a bunch of FA players (Lazard, Mecole Hardman, etc.), trading for Chuck Clark. They made a number of roster moves and are tight against the cap.

Also: bear in mind that 'tight against the cap' doesn't mean you spend every last dollar of cap space up front. Every team needs cap space to sign players mid-year, cover player incentives earned, settle with injured players, etc. So they often show as having at least $5-15M in cap space but in reality it's been allocated for such expenses.

[run pMc]

FYI news stories did break that the Packers did kick the tires on OBJ, but he didn't like their offer, based on money/playing time -- apparently, they told him he would mostly be playing on 3rd downs in the slot. They didn't have the money he wanted, and I think they felt just fine about Lazard in the slot anyway.

[run pMc]

With Tyler Davis out, who is their top blocking TE? Do they just go 6OL or hope the rookies can at least give sufficient effort?
Gute might have to swing a trade or work the cutdowns to find someone. Davis also played a LOT of ST snaps for Bisaccia.

[Fritz]

With Tyler Davis out, who is their top blocking TE? Do they just go 6OL or hope the rookies can at least give sufficient effort?
Gute might have to swing a trade or work the cutdowns to find someone. Davis also played a LOT of ST snaps for Bisaccia.

Would you really want to give up any assets to speak of for a blocking TE who plays special teams? I dunno. Maybe you could give up, say, Toure, if you think either Melton or Heath is better or as good, and get someone else's seventh-round blocking TE. But that's a skill set you might be able to find on the street during cutdowns.