Packers vs Lions Discussion Thread

[bobblehead]

Not last year. Not the last game of the season last year.

Both teams have been hit hard by injury. For the Loins, it's mostly the offensive line - look how many of those guys are on the injury report. And when healthy, they have a good, very good, offensive line. I don't think the Packer D could hold up to that line, if it were healthy. And the Packers drafted the wrong St. Brown - little brother Amon Ra has been their go-to wide receiver. He's really good.

Look for Jamyr Ghibbs - or however you spell that RB's name - to have Bijan Robinson-versus-the-Packers type of numbers in this game. Similar guys, I think.

I'm going to guess The Flower is going to sit a bunch of guys again, so they get an extra ten days, then come back with a fuller deck of cards. Jones might play, and possible Bakh, but I'm guessing a lot of the other guys will be missing.

This is gonna be a tough one. Our defense - they drag guys down, they push them out of bounds - their defense? They hit. Hard.

This. We need a hard nosed DC that gets guys to play with attitude. I'm sick of the fat mike "staying in your lane" defensive mentality. Rashan Gary might be the type of guy to change all that (speaking of changing my mind on a player).

[Joemailman]

Two of the defenses the Packers have faced are top 10 in both yards and points allowed. When the offense faced a bad defense, they put up 31. Detroit defense ranks 11 and 15. If Packers offense reduces the penalties, I think they can get to 20-25. That is, if they can put together a decent offensive line.

[texaspackerbacker]

We'll see, but I still think the Lions are not much good. And good or bad (I'd say mostly bad), Goff is mostly a stationary QB. QBs like Fields and the Atlanta guy are scary and basically can make something out of nothing many times. Goff is just gonna sit there and be prey for Gary, and I'm expecting a big game from our other pass rushers too. And the younger better St. Brown is a far cry from Michael Thomas and Olave.

[call_me_ishmael]

The Lions have a record of 10-10 versus the Packers since 2013.

Better than the Vikings 8-10-2
And Bears 3-18

We always overlook the seemingly hapless Lions. In reality they’re our biggest rival of the last decade.

Wow, that's shocking to see those numbers. But yeah, the numbers prove you're right about this.

[Fosco33]

They may have had the most success against us, but I wouldn't make that the determining factor of who's been our biggest rival. The Vikings and Bears have both presented much more of an overall roadblock to winning the North over the last 30 years.

Fair… but as division wins are the most important element to division titles… wouldn’t that mean the Lion’s losses hurt more? Obv it ended our season last year. And took a miracle Hail Mary to beat them (which was needed for us to sneak into playoffs) a few years ago (Rodgers to Rodgers).

Rival is determined by the rabid-ness of the fans, media. I think everyone looks at the Pack as their biggest rival. And we always ignore the Lions (but maybe that should be up for debate).

[run pMc]

DET has won 3 of the last 4.

They have a very good if banged up OL.
Ben Johnson, the DET OC, has Jared Goff playing about as good as he ever has or will play.
They are a physical team that will beat you if you make mistakes or don't punch back.

St. Brown and La Porta could cause some problems if Barry doesn't plan for them.
The rookie Gibbs is a nice all purpose weapon as well. DeVondre is probably out or at least limited in this game so Quay will have a lot on his plate.

Kind of a coin flip game and hard to say because of injuries on a short week.
I'm rooting for GB of course, but if I had to pick I'd go with DET in a close one.

[Joemailman]

DET has won 3 of the last 4.

They have a very good if banged up OL.
Ben Johnson, the DET OC, has Jared Goff playing about as good as he ever has or will play.
They are a physical team that will beat you if you make mistakes or don't punch back.

St. Brown and La Porta could cause some problems if Barry doesn't plan for them.
The rookie Gibbs is a nice all purpose weapon as well. DeVondre is probably out or at least limited in this game so Quay will have a lot on his plate.

Kind of a coin flip game and hard to say because of injuries on a short week.
I'm rooting for GB of course, but if I had to pick I'd go with DET in a close one.

Detroit won both last year. The one they won in 2021 deserves an asterisk because Packers pulled their starters at halftime and Lions didn't. In the first game last year Packers moved the ball but were a disaster with their red zone offense. Rodgers threw 2 red zone interceptions. In the second one the Lions DL ran a lot of stunts and twists which were successful. With Bakhtiari and Jenkins out, will likely see more of that.

Biggest concern is whether the Packers will be able to run the ball at all. Packers #23 rush offense will go up against the Lions #5 rush defense.

[Joemailman]

[Fritz]

If Bakhtieri and Tom are both out, along with Jenkins, I just can't see a way this offense will be able to get anything going, whether or not Aaron Jones and/or Crustian Watson play. That means Goff, if his patched-together offensive line is better than Green Bay's patched-together offensive line, has the advantage, as the Packers' run defense cannot match that of the Loins.

And if Jones can't play, I'm thinking that The Flower will devise a game plan that basically puts it all on Jordan Love.

I think it's going to be too much for this young Green Bay team. The X-factor will be the health of each team's offensive line, and who has better backups.

[Joemailman]

Reportedly, Jones is supposed to play. I think he was actually close last week. I imagine both will be brought back gradually. Still would be great to have them back.

[Joemailman]

If they can have Jones, Jaire, Watson and Tom playing, I like their chances.

[run pMc]

If they can have Jones, Jaire, Watson and Tom playing, I like their chances.

It definitely improves them. FWIW, Jackson, Nelson, Ragnow and Vaitai all show up on ourlads.com depth chart as starters, so they are beat up on OL as well. If GB's DL can get pressure on Goff, that could change things. I'd be downright shocked if they didn't test Joe Barry's run defense, especially after watching the ATL tape.

DET will be without CJ Gardner Johson and James Houston (both on IR) but their defense should be improved from last year. If Royce Newman (who has been ok off the bench) has to pickup a stunting Aidan Hutchinson all game, GB is in trouble.

[Tony Oday]

If the Packers can pressure Goff we win, if they give him time it could be a long day.

[texaspackerbacker]

If Bakhtieri and Tom are both out, along with Jenkins, I just can't see a way this offense will be able to get anything going, whether or not Aaron Jones and/or Crustian Watson play. That means Goff, if his patched-together offensive line is better than Green Bay's patched-together offensive line, has the advantage, as the Packers' run defense cannot match that of the Loins.

And if Jones can't play, I'm thinking that The Flower will devise a game plan that basically puts it all on Jordan Love.

I think it's going to be too much for this young Green Bay team. The X-factor will be the health of each team's offensive line, and who has better backups.

I've said over and over - with a lot of static from a lot of people, O Line beyond just the bare minimum really doesn't make much difference. Well, that idea is probably gonna get tested this week. I expect Aaron Jones to run wild and Dillon and (hopefully) Wilson and Taylor in the rotation also to get decent yardage despite no sacred cow, no Jenkins, and possibly no Tom too. Conversely, the Lions are likely missing their top RB and several O Linemen, and it's still worrisome that Joe Barry's run defense is still gonna get shredded.

I do expect the Packer pass rush to get home a LOT, and I do expect Love to have another great game, and I do thoroughly expect a Packer win.

[Fosco33]

The falcons ran for 200+ yards vs the Pack and the next week less than 50 vs the Lions. And you think we’re going to run all over the Lions with an injured line and questionable RBs? I won’t be shocked if we have under 100 from Jones/Dillon and hope Love can get 2-3 1st downs on his legs.