Serious Question: Love vs Clifford

[bobblehead]

Dag nabbit Skinny, ignoring the pretend racism I was going to break it down and say you are starting to look like a prophet. But then this sick fuck agrees with you and there is no way I am joining any cult with his ass.

I don't know that predicting failure for any QB who hasn't proven it on the field makes one a prophet. Stating the most likely outcome seems more accurate. I can predict right now that Caleb Jones will fail as a QB and certainly as a top 5 QB and I'm likely to be correct.

[RashanGary]

Dag nabbit Skinny, ignoring the pretend racism I was going to break it down and say you are starting to look like a prophet. But then this sick fuck agrees with you and there is no way I am joining any cult with his ass.

Mine was a joke

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Probably, but his lack of arm strength negates some of it. If you are on target but defenses have time to react it can fail just as badly as throwing it in the dirt. I see Clifford as a Chad Pennington/Matt Flynn type of guy.

Mr. Irrelevant (Pundy) and the Great Yellow Hope (Tua) both have a noodle arms, too. Ain’t seem like their lack of arm power is handicapping them too much.

[RashanGary]

Kurt Benkert, Curt Warner and JT O’Sullivan all break down QB play and say Love is in some bad situations with the young group and there’s not a lot he could have done better.

Skinbasket might end up totally wrong on this one.

[MadtownPacker]

Have a look:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jordan-love-2.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sean-clifford-1.html

Clifford's career comp% is 61.4, Love's is 61.2. On the college level these days, that's not good enough to be considered accurate. (Clifford had Jahan Dotson and Parker Washington bailing him out too.)

For comparison: Caleb Williams is 67% for his career. Joe Burrow was 68.8. Bryce Young 65.8. CJ Stroud - 69.3. You get the idea.
I think you want a guy who is at least 65% for his career, and for it to be in something with at least some pro-concepts. Brian Brohm looked great (65.8) until you realized he was running a pop-gun/Air-Raid scheme.

Watching the Bills game and have to say Allen doesn’t look much better than Love. Just more arrogant at this point. While not a fair comparison due the first year versus fourth year it is for first starting year and his stats aren’t too hot. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/jos...n-rookie-stats

[MadtownPacker]

I don't know that predicting failure for any QB who hasn't proven it on the field makes one a prophet. Stating the most likely outcome seems more accurate. I can predict right now that Caleb Jones will fail as a QB and certainly as a top 5 QB and I'm likely to be correct.

Obviously feeling dissedthat SB is smarter than you as he PROPHESIED!!!

[bobblehead]

Obviously feeling dissedthat SB is smarter than you as he PROPHESIED!!!

Clearly thats it.

[Fritz]

I'm not so worried about the decision-making at this point. If you really are serious about considering that, you realize that there is so, so much information to process in milliseconds, that it would naturally take time and experience to get that part. I think Love can get there.

The accuracy bothers me, though. He just is off so much with his throws. Too much air under the ball, not enough air under the ball, underthrows Watson, overthrows Deguara. A little spooky.

[bobblehead]

I'm not so worried about the decision-making at this point. If you really are serious about considering that, you realize that there is so, so much information to process in milliseconds, that it would naturally take time and experience to get that part. I think Love can get there.

The accuracy bothers me, though. He just is off so much with his throws. Too much air under the ball, not enough air under the ball, underthrows Watson, overthrows Deguara. A little spooky.

As guys like Kurt Warner have pointed out....he isn't being given a lot to work with. We need to see the OL play better. Get a run game working. As long as he puts games like weeks 1 and 2 on tape while the team gains experience I have hope that you can win with him. If we give him a record deal like the Cowboys gave Prescott at the time you will be challenged to surround him with the necessary talent. Same as the Rams did with Goff. Those are 2 examples of guys who got max QB deals and the team suffered very soon after.

[run pMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOxzPmgg-zM

There's lot of film and armchair QBs out there. I think Love has an accuracy issue but also is a little jumpy to climb the pocket and doing a few other things he can improve. He has a tendency to put a little too much air under the ball and underthrow it, which he should never do with Watson. Just chuck it and let that 4.3 speed catch up to it.

The execution of the young receivers is hampering some of the evaluation, as is the OL playing poorly. There are a lot of breakdowns happening around him which will buy him some time. I'm starting to think they need to sit Rasheed Walker for a couple of games to watch Njiman play before trying him again, and I think they need to get healthy. All the leg injuries this team has aren't helping. That aside, they just gotta play better. It's blocking and tackling.

[MadtownPacker]

Clearly thats it.

Man I was just trying to give him a little scratch like the dog he is. If I was going to pick any Why guy here to work for it would be you or maybe Rastak. But that would be so I could do fuck up shit to his purple lovin ass.

[SkinBasket]

Can’t say nothing without being called a racist these days. If you ignore a persons color you’re a racist. If you point out a persons color, you’re a racist. You must all be old people, cuz the kids don’t care no more. Anyway, I’m glad Love vindicated ya’ll today.

As far as what I like better about Clifford, I think I’ve made that pretty clear, but A number 1 is his confidence, followed by his decisiveness, most likely born from said confidence, and finally his gravitas which stands in stark comparison to Love’s flower wallpaper routine. So suck it. He can’t be much worse results wise at this point.

[MadtownPacker]

Wouldn’t have had issue with putting him today. Starting to worry I will hate you more for being right.

[Fritz]

Can’t say nothing without being called a racist these days. If you ignore a persons color you’re a racist. If you point out a persons color, you’re a racist. You must all be old people, cuz the kids don’t care no more. Anyway, I’m glad Love vindicated ya’ll today.

As far as what I like better about Clifford, I think I’ve made that pretty clear, but A number 1 is his confidence, followed by his decisiveness, most likely born from said confidence, and finally his gravitas which stands in stark comparison to Love’s flower wallpaper routine. So suck it. He can’t be much worse results wise at this point.

I’m confident. I’m decisive. But I would be a shitty QB. You need those qualities, but those ain’t enough, Skinny. Love was not the problem today. It was his shitty offensive line, his receivers dropping balls, and his coach calling a shitty game.

[Fosco33]

I’m not concerned about Love yet.