Serious Question: Love vs Clifford

[sharpe1027]

Love is a late first round pick. You don't expect to have great QBs that late. It's what you hope for, but you know they have limitations if they make it that far down.

[Fritz]

I’m not concerned about Love yet.

I’m not concerned about Love at all. I just want to get laid.

[Fosco33]

I’m not concerned about Love at all. I just want to get laid.

There’s apps for that - and pills

[bobblehead]

Of course it's too early.

With that being said, I don't see hope that the Luv Machine reaches the elite status you want in a high priced QB; using a 1st and a 4th on Love looks bad right now, and using two 2nd round draft picks for Watson looks bad as well for Gutebag

I disagree on Watson. I think he still has a legit chance at becoming a top 5 NFL WR. Love, like any QB is unlikely to become "elite". I still think you can win with him, he just won't carry us.

[run pMc]

I don't think Love or Watson are busts, and I agree it's too early to make such declarations.

[Bretsky]

I disagree on Watson. I think he still has a legit chance at becoming a top 5 NFL WR. Love, like any QB is unlikely to become "elite". I still think you can win with him, he just won't carry us.

Top 5 ? I don't see it.

He's no Greg Jennings as a route runner. So fast, yet sloppy so far

[Bretsky]

Love is a late first round pick. You don't expect to have great QBs that late. It's what you hope for, but you know they have limitations if they make it that far down.

LOVE, or LEVIS (round 2)

[bobblehead]

LOVE, or LEVIS (round 2)

Levis may end up being similar for a better value based on draft capital, but I don't see him becoming a top 10 QB either. Again, too early to definitively state that either can't ascend, but certain things don't seem to be there....of course for Rodgers first 2 years I said he doesn't process game information fast enough to be elite, so what do I know.

[run pMc]

Levis has played like 2 games, way too early to say anything. Once teams get film on him they will scheme him up, just like teams have with Love.
He was talked about by the media as a potential top 10 pick and teams passed repeatedly on him and he lasted to Day 2. That tells you something about what teams thought, and last year's QB class wasn't as good as this upcoming one.

Levis does seem to have better touch than Love on deep throws, but I think he's a risky gunslinger type like Jordan Love. They are pretty similar players, but I think Levis has better accuracy.
I'm not sure how well he processes but he's got a cannon arm. Would be interested to see what Levis in Year 2 will look like.

[Bretsky]

Levis may end up being similar for a better value based on draft capital, but I don't see him becoming a top 10 QB either. Again, too early to definitively state that either can't ascend, but certain things don't seem to be there....of course for Rodgers first 2 years I said he doesn't process game information fast enough to be elite, so what do I know.

It's in interesting comparison for those who defend Love by saying he's not a top 10 pick. I don't embrace that logic. If Gute was willing to trade a 1st and a 4th to get Love I think his expectation would be he could be at least near Elite.

When I watched Levis last night I thought he was pretty accurate and slinged the ball around with very little effort. I could see him being in the top 10 "ish" range.

I would take him over Love w/o any hesitation right now.

Love has also had a few years to practice for this year; he just doesn't seem accurate

[bobblehead]

It's in interesting comparison for those who defend Love by saying he's not a top 10 pick. I don't embrace that logic. If Gute was willing to trade a 1st and a 4th to get Love I think his expectation would be he could be at least near Elite.

When I watched Levis last night I thought he was pretty accurate and slinged the ball around with very little effort. I could see him being in the top 10 "ish" range.

I would take him over Love w/o any hesitation right now.

Love has also had a few years to practice for this year; he just doesn't seem accurate

Mostly agree. Gutes made that trade because HE thought Love should have been a top 10 pick.

[Bretsky]

Mostly agree. Gutes made that trade because HE thought Love should have been a top 10 pick.

1000% agree; winner post. And that is how we should be measuring that decision by.

He's squirmed back under the rock on this but I get a kick out of Mel Kiper still pointing this out. THose guys love to be right and point out when the other is wrong.

Todd McShay had love rated higher then Justin Hebert that year and noted some of the scouts out there did as well. Guessing Gutebag was one of them.

[run pMc]

I think Herbert is overrated, but I'd have taken Herbert over Love then and I would now.

For those who think Clifford should play instead of Love, consider how the Rams offense looked with Rypien. I'm fairly confident that Clifford would play about that poorly as the starter.
You absolutely want Jordan Love to play as many games as possible this season to get a full evaluation. Right now he looks pretty meh to me, but based on preseason he's clearly better than Clifford. Clifford's ceiling might be Taylor Heinecke, and that's fine for a backup but not as a starter.

[bobblehead]

Top 5 ? I don't see it.

He's no Greg Jennings as a route runner. So fast, yet sloppy so far

You can improve route running, but you can't learn to be the fastest guy in the NFL (or right up there). You can't learn to be 6'4" but you can add muscle. I have seen him flat out bust angles 3 times in something like 15 games he has played now. If things around him improve, that kind of elite athleticism always has a shot.

[SkinBasket]

Man alive. We won! Seriously not trying to be a stick in the mud about it, but again the QB play was bad. The first half could have put Richard Simmons in a coma for how fucking boring this offense is. But I guess that’s what you get when your QB can’t hit the broad side of a barn at 25 yards. And I guess Love got the white genes on his legs? The guy can’t even create space in the pocket much less worry anyone about headed downfield. That was one the fun parts about Rodgers taking over… you were reminded young QBs can run. I guess Love sucks at that too. So he’s got black guy accuracy and white guy speed. Awesome. At least the defense looked good playing a bunch of tards. By tards I mean retards for you city folk.