Serious Question: Love vs Clifford

[run pMc]

Which would you rather have - Love or Pickett?

The two INTs were desperation type of throws - the first one was a good play by the defense. The second one might have been avoided had Jones not stayed in bounds.
Half of Love's INTs have been on throws to Watson. I agree he should have looked elsewhere. He has moments where it looks like he's trying to score 21 points on one pass play, and hopefully he outgrows that fast. Going back to college, you just have to know the way he plays is going to involve more picks than Rodgers. That would actually apply to any QB, since Rodgers has the lowest INT% ever.

I don't think Love had a great game, but it wasn't bad for a first year starter, either. I think it makes more sense to pile on the run defense, honestly.

[Fritz]

In my saner moments, I realize we've got to give Love through the end of this year, at least, and Twatson through the end of next year before we can make any reasonable judgements.

But that's when I'm sane. At other moments, I say fuggem. Cuz I'm a fan and I can "demand" better, as if somehow I "deserve" better.

So let's give these two guys some time. It's almost rocket science, what they're trying to do out there. Make split-second decisions that are the right ones, and perform superhuman physical feats at the same time.

[Spaulding]

Broken record here but in the grand scheme of things Love is NOT the problem. Defense still sucks (Barry must have something on LeFluer to still be employed), wide receivers aren't helping him with alligator arms and wrong routes and the line has been mostly a sieve this year compared to prior years.

Love is not without his blame but given the chaos around him it's not surprising to see his first year starting being a mixed bag. Next year without Rodgers dead money and cutting Bak along with substantial draft capital should allow Gute to surround him with better talent. Combine that with another year's worth of experience with the greenhorn receiving corp should allow a proper evaluation of his ability to lead the team to the playoffs in future years.

Clifford is a career backup at best, that's his ceiling. Right or wrong, Love's is higher and we just need to give him a chance before we cancel the show and reboot.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good Post, Spaulding - saved me saying a lot of that.

Love or Pickett? Love every day of the week and twice on Sunday ....... oh yeah, and I like our QB too hahahaha.

[MadtownPacker]

In spite of APB applying to be skinbasket’s lackey I haven’t felt this good about Love since early in the season. He played good enough. Not great because that would require getting the win. The kind of loss I was hoping for would be accurate. The team gained experience and all the tank embracing peons are happy.

[Fritz]

I've been wondering what a "good" loss looks like - and now I have an answer.

If Love can improve on his accuracy over the course of the season, and if Watson improves, those two pieces would be huge. Then maybe give Sean Rhyan a shot at right guard, and if he shows he can be an NFL starter, you've got some important answers going into the draft regarding what you do and may not need.

I know I've read the Packers seem to think center is Tom's best position. I wonder if there's any consideration of letting Myers depart (is he in the last year of his rookie deal? Or coming up on it?) in some manner - a trade for a seventh round choice or something? Then draft two or three offensive tackles. But that may be dumb if Myers is actually playing well, as the coaches keep claiming.

I wonder now too what the offseason holds for guys like Preston Smith and Devondre Campbell, and even maybe Jaire. Though it would seem crazy to trade him - I think his contract is very doable for the team, and yes, he's been hurt, but when he plays he's pretty damn good. Contrast that with Eric Stokes, who started well, then did not play well at the beginning of his second season, and then got hurt and hurt. Not sure what there is to build on there - his play was already nosediving before he was injured. Plus, you're going to need to draft about thirteen safeties anyway, so why add to the DB need in the draft?

[Bretsky]

A good Loss

Seeing more hope for Jordan Love with some faith maybe he can be a top 10 QB
Seeing the WR's grow
Seeing the young defenders grow so we have hope going forward
Seeing more light from the offensive line

And a loss to improve our draft position

[bobblehead]

A good loss:

Individual defensive players do what is asked of them, but the defense underperforms so we can fire Joe Barry.

[Fritz]

I don't think tanking is a strategy - even in the NBA, there are no guarantees that it will work out. What team tanked a couple years ago - New Orleans? - to get some supposed sure-fire stud, and he's been hurt and whiny. So that's in a sport with only five starters.

Tanking can't be done in the NFL - it's too much of a short-term league. Look at the Jest - Saleh is trying like hell to hang on to his job until next year when Rodgers comes back, but there's no patience for him to keep trotting Zack
Wilson out there - even if it gets them some high draft pick. And that's a nasty defense already.

[bobblehead]

I agree fritz. Tanking is kinda silly. Can't miss guys miss all the time in the NFL. Guys you never heard of from the 5th round turn into ballers. Scout well, pick well, teach well.

[call_me_ishmael]

I totally disagree. You're pretty unlikely to win a super bowl without a star QB and you're unlikely to get a premier one unless you're picking at the top. Yeah, yeah, I know, Mahomes, Rodgers, and Brady disagree. I still think picking #1 is the best chance at getting the next one of those dudes, you just have to scout well and get lucky on the year that your team sucks.

You want Andy Luck or Joe Burrow, not Jared Goff or Kyler Murray or Baker Mayfield or Jameis Winston or Cam Newton or Sam Bradford or Alex Smith, so tanking in the right year is really important and frankly lucky since Joe Burrow wasn't Joe Burrow until he was Joe Burrow.

[texaspackerbacker]

I hope you know, your examples, both the good ones and the mediocre ones, almost without exception, completely undermine your assertion: "You're pretty unlikely to win a super bowl without a star QB and you're unlikely to get a premier one unless you're picking at the top."

[call_me_ishmael]

I hope you know, your examples, both the good ones and the mediocre ones, almost without exception, completely undermine your assertion: "You're pretty unlikely to win a super bowl without a star QB and you're unlikely to get a premier one unless you're picking at the top."

You're not guaranteed to get a star when tanking. But you've at least got a shot one every few years. Getting a Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes is a total crap shoot and complete luck. There is at least some science to tanking.

[texaspackerbacker]

Odds of a random top 5 pick becoming Rodgers or Brady level (Mahomes has to wear that underwear a few more years before he's in that category) are about the same IMO as the odds of Jordan Love rising to that level.

[Joemailman]

Foe the record, Mahomes wasn't a top 5 pick. He was the 10th pick in the 2017 draft. And the Chiefs didn't tank to get that pick. The Chiefs were 12-4 in 2016 and traded up from the 27th spot to the 10th spot to draft him.