More Banjo - Packers vs. Steelers

[red]

This play should have gotten Sean Rhyan inserted in the lineup. I knew it looked bad live. The replay looks even worse. https://twitter.com/i/status/1723877284258385964

Runyan again. If he gets a block Aaron Jones walks into the end zone. https://twitter.com/i/status/1723866659637629391

thats a 3-4 ILB blowing up our right guard

i cringed when i saw that live

tough to tell in the video, but i think its #50. 6-1 238 pounds

[red]

doubs = driver

watsons best asset is his top end speed, which is completely useless is the QB can't throw the ball down field.

and i agree, he doesn't play like he's 6'4. i also am starting to get the MVS vibe

[Anti-Polar Bear]

doubs = driver

watsons best asset is his top end speed, which is completely useless is the QB can't throw the ball down field.

and i agree, he doesn't play like he's 6'4. i also am starting to get the MVS vibe

Driver ain’t nicknamed “Quickie” for nothing. Quickness ain’t Doubs strength. Tae Adams, thy name is Doubs.

[Joemailman]

Watson played 75% of snaps, Reed 51% and Wicks 44%. Those numbers need to change a bit, and might help Watson by taking some pressure off him.

[Fosco33]

MVS has 14 catches for like 225 yards and 1 TD this year…

[Joemailman]

MVS has 14 catches for like 225 yards and 1 TD this year…

Not sure what point you're trying to make, but Watson is 14-236-1.

[Fosco33]

Red’s comment on MVS vibes matches w/ the stat lines

[texaspackerbacker]

Getting rid of Joe Barry would make a helluva huge difference. A LOT of D players did fairly decent jobs. It's just the scheme that sucks so bad. Other teams with way less talent play way better D. That's on God damned Barry!

I say again, Love is doing a decent job, and he's gonna be an excellent QB going forward. If we'd won, I was planning on rubbing ya'all haters' noses in it about him. As it is, he still is worthy of praise.

LaFleur seems to have stepped up his game on play calling the last couple of games. Yeah, the receivers are doing good. Dillon is sort of winning me over. There's a lot to love about Aaron Jones, but I'm coming around to the point of view that he's replaceable. That's after seeing a lot of good speed RBs around the league and coming out of colleges.

The young kicker better step it up too, as looking around the league as well as the NCAA, good kickers just don't seem to be all that hard to find.

And the Packers special teams may not be quite as bad as in the past, but they still aren't very good. I have to blame coaching on that too.

[Fosco33]

Recall most packer fans were down on Adams for years before he became great. Ie, many of these young guns in year 3-4-5 might be pro bowlers.

[run pMc]

Watson is a great athlete who is being thrust into the WR1 role before he's ready. Dude sometimes runs routes like he's still learning the route tree. Playing for NDSU, he could just outrun the defense, he hasn't had to work on other things. He's being forced to do that and struggling, which isn't that surprising. Contested catches were never a big part of his game, I wouldn't expect him to be Megatron overnight. Watson might turn into something, or he might be MVS part 2 (or Torrey Smith, if you prefer). You still need guys who can threaten a defense deep, so he has value even if two R2 picks might end up being way too steep a price.

Doubs is good, but I think he's a solid WR3 type. His hands aren't as good as some make them to be. ALL the WRs need work on drops and catching the ball with a DB swiping at you. Hand strength is a thing.

Wicks looks like he could be a good WR2, not much speed but he can separate and that matters big time in the pros.
Reed is more like Cobb, I don't think he's that similar to Jennings tbh.

They need a RAC guy like a Deebo/Aiyuk or AJ Brown. Shanahan offenses like their play action deep shots, but they also have WRs who eat by catching a 7 yard throw and turning it into 15. Does GB have a player that can do that on this team?

Musgrave should absolutely not be used on DickRod routes where it's 3yards and break a tackle. That's not his game... he's a seam buster or a wheel or deep over route guy who can burn a LB or S in coverage. Maybe Tucker Kraft figures out the game and can do the DickRod stuff and gain YAC, he did some of that in college but his mind has been spinning making the jump from SDSU to GB.

All these guys need to continue to improve, I wouldn't call any of them busts. J'Mon Moore was a bust...these guys have at least shown something to leave us wanting more.

[pittstang5]

DeGuara, if you're keeping score.

He should have been left in Pittsburgh or cut from the team last night. That play was inexcusable. He must have had his head up his ass.

On another note, this game could have went a totally different way if the extra point isn't blocked AND if the Refs would have called the backwards lateral a fumble - which to me, that was a fumble. That ball went backwards. The refs absolutely sucked. I think it was at least two drives were extended for the Steelers when on a 3rd down, Packer DBs were called for either PI or holding. One, if I remember correctly wasn't even catchable. It is what it is, nothing can be done now.

I did see some positives from the game. Love looked decent, but the drops from the receivers are killing this team.

[Joemailman]

Best, worst PFF grades:

Top 5 offense

1. LG Elgton Jenkins: 81.1
2. WR Jayden Reed: 79.1
3. QB Jordan Love: 77.8
4. C Josh Myers: 76.6
5. TE Luke Musgrave: 72.7

Jenkins gave up two pressures but still earned the team’s top pass-blocking grade. He was a dominant blocker in the run game. Reed caught all five of his targets, had a touchdown and a contested catch and finished with a perfect passer rating when targeted over 24 routes. Love hit a season-high five “big time throws” and was hugely productive pushing the ball downfield. Myers gave up a quarterback hit but earned an excellent run-blocking grade. Musgrave produced two explosive plays (28 yards, 36 yards) and got decent grades as a blocker.

Top 5 defense

1. OLB Rashan Gary: 81.4
2. DL Kenny Clark: 75.1
3. OLB Preston Smith: 73.0
4. CB Corey Ballentine: 71.0
5. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 69.8

Gary delivered just one pressure and one stop but he earned the defense’s top run-defending grade overall. Clark missed two tackles but also had three hurries and two stops against the run. Smith had a sack and three stops overall. Ballentine missed two tackles but allowed only four catches and broke up two passes. McDuffie missed two tackles but had four stops.

Bottom 5 offense

Nov 12, 2023; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA; Green Bay Packers wide receiver Christian Watson (9) cannot make a catch against Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Patrick Peterson (20) before being intercepted by safety Keanu Neal (31) during the fourth quarter at Acrisure Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Philip G. Pavely-USA TODAY Sports

1. TE Tucker Kraft: 43.2
2. WR Christian Watson: 54.3
3. RG Jon Runyan Jr.: 54.9
4. RB Aaron Jones: 58.5
5. LT Rasheed Walker: 61.0

Kraft ran 18 routes but caught just one pass and earned below average blocking grades. Watson caught just two of seven targets, produced 23 receiving yards on 34 routes run and had a drop. Runyan Jr. gave up a pressure, earned poor run-blocking grades and had a huge missed block on a screen pass to Jones. Speaking of Jones, he had a drop, managed just 19 yards on six targets and averaged 2.7 yards per rush. Walker gave up five pressures including a quarterback hit.


Bottom 5 defense

1. DL Colby Wooden: 29.3
2. DL T.J. Slaton: 40.5
3. OLB Lukas Van Ness: 48.0
4. CB Carrington Valentine: 50.0
5. S Jonathan Owens: 51.5

Wooden didn’t have a pressure over five pass-rushing snaps and earned the worst run-defending grade over five run defense snaps. Slaton had five stops against the run but graded out poorly against the run overall. Van Ness missed two tackles against the run and didn’t have a pressure over eight pass-rushing snaps. Valentine missed a tackle, gave up a 28-yard catch to George Pickens and was penalized 17 yards for pass interference on third down. Owens missed two tackles, was flagged for illegal contact and graded out poorly against the run.

[Fritz]

Best, worst PFF grades:

Top 5 offense

1. LG Elgton Jenkins: 81.1
2. WR Jayden Reed: 79.1
3. QB Jordan Love: 77.8
4. C Josh Myers: 76.6
5. TE Luke Musgrave: 72.7

Jenkins gave up two pressures but still earned the team’s top pass-blocking grade. He was a dominant blocker in the run game. Reed caught all five of his targets, had a touchdown and a contested catch and finished with a perfect passer rating when targeted over 24 routes. Love hit a season-high five “big time throws” and was hugely productive pushing the ball downfield. Myers gave up a quarterback hit but earned an excellent run-blocking grade. Musgrave produced two explosive plays (28 yards, 36 yards) and got decent grades as a blocker.

Top 5 defense

1. OLB Rashan Gary: 81.4
2. DL Kenny Clark: 75.1
3. OLB Preston Smith: 73.0
4. CB Corey Ballentine: 71.0
5. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 69.8

Gary delivered just one pressure and one stop but he earned the defense’s top run-defending grade overall. Clark missed two tackles but also had three hurries and two stops against the run. Smith had a sack and three stops overall. Ballentine missed two tackles but allowed only four catches and broke up two passes. McDuffie missed two tackles but had four stops.

Bottom 5 offense

Nov 12, 2023; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA; Green Bay Packers wide receiver Christian Watson (9) cannot make a catch against Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Patrick Peterson (20) before being intercepted by safety Keanu Neal (31) during the fourth quarter at Acrisure Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Philip G. Pavely-USA TODAY Sports

1. TE Tucker Kraft: 43.2
2. WR Christian Watson: 54.3
3. RG Jon Runyan Jr.: 54.9
4. RB Aaron Jones: 58.5
5. LT Rasheed Walker: 61.0

Kraft ran 18 routes but caught just one pass and earned below average blocking grades. Watson caught just two of seven targets, produced 23 receiving yards on 34 routes run and had a drop. Runyan Jr. gave up a pressure, earned poor run-blocking grades and had a huge missed block on a screen pass to Jones. Speaking of Jones, he had a drop, managed just 19 yards on six targets and averaged 2.7 yards per rush. Walker gave up five pressures including a quarterback hit.


Bottom 5 defense

1. DL Colby Wooden: 29.3
2. DL T.J. Slaton: 40.5
3. OLB Lukas Van Ness: 48.0
4. CB Carrington Valentine: 50.0
5. S Jonathan Owens: 51.5

Wooden didn’t have a pressure over five pass-rushing snaps and earned the worst run-defending grade over five run defense snaps. Slaton had five stops against the run but graded out poorly against the run overall. Van Ness missed two tackles against the run and didn’t have a pressure over eight pass-rushing snaps. Valentine missed a tackle, gave up a 28-yard catch to George Pickens and was penalized 17 yards for pass interference on third down. Owens missed two tackles, was flagged for illegal contact and graded out poorly against the run.

I would like to be the first to nickname Tucker Kraft as "Tucker Krapt," as he has shit the bed, over and over this year. I don't see any improvement there so far. Wasn't he, uh, a third round pick...?

Also, is Joe Barely going to end up getting a pass cuz so many defenders have been out? I hope not, because the defensive line has been healthy, and McDuffie has played pretty well for Walker, and they STILL can't stop the run. I've decided that the team needs to hire a sculptor to make a bust of Devonte Wyatt cuz that's what he's turning into...and TJ Slaton is just a JAG. They need someone who is a true nose tackle who can control the middle of the line. Kenny Clark is losing his mojo - not having a great year - and Colby looks wooden. Karl Brooks is the most promising of the bunch. Yet I fear that all this will get Joe Barely a pass, and he's not a guy who deserves that.

And Christian . . . Twatson. Sorry, Harv, I know you like that guy and he's a good guy and all, but he's being outplayed by Wicks, Reed, and probably Doubs. Ouch for a guy they gave up picks to move up and get. Like Jason Spriggs for TT. And now his family is on X or Twatter or whatever they call it, 'splaining why it ain't his fault. Okay. Okay. We know you love him, and we'll give him through next year (Devonte Adams didn't really "get it" until his third year), but you can't blame us fans for at least wondering WTF.

[texaspackerbacker]

Some of those PFF things make sense, some do not - about 50/50 I'd say.

I'll give Fritz a slightly better rating - maybe 60/40 or 70/30. Watson is a disappointment, although his dad is partly right, it's still early. The big fuck up with him - the interception near the end - was blatant pass interference, not his fault, although some receivers woulda gone up and grabbed it anyway. All those others are off to good starts and doing better now, but Watson still has a super high ceiling. Slaton is probably performing as good or better than expected considering where we got him. I've been thinking mostly positive about Wooden, and Brooks of course too. I think about 95% of the D Line problem is Joe Barry - make that 95-100% of the D problems in general.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Some of those PFF things make sense, some do not - about 50/50 I'd say.

I'll give Fritz a slightly better rating - maybe 60/40 or 70/30. Watson is a disappointment, although his dad is partly right, it's still early. The big fuck up with him - the interception near the end - was blatant pass interference, not his fault, although some receivers woulda gone up and grabbed it anyway. All those others are off to good starts and doing better now, but Watson still has a super high ceiling. Slaton is probably performing as good or better than expected considering where we got him. I've been thinking mostly positive about Wooden, and Brooks of course too. I think about 95% of the D Line problem is Joe Barry - make that 95-100% of the D problems in general.

PFF ratings are “calculated” by math nerds who ain’t ever played a down of futbol in their lives. Alotta the nerds have gotta be Mongoloids, cos, and this ain’t got nothing to do with the math stereotypes of Mongoloids, PFF seems unable to tell the differences between two white panthers, err, tight ends.

Kraft played a tons on offense cos Musgrave couldn’t block worth a fuck. Even the CBS color guy mentioned something about Musgrave, despite his superior threat as a pass catcher relatively to the other white tight ends on the roster, being on the bench due to a poor run block that got Jones fucked for a loss.

Cletidus was primarily the reason the Lumpensteelers ran up and down the Packers’ rear end for 200+ yards. Is asking a Yokozuna who’s being paid $18M a year to at least be average against the run too much of a burden?

Love had TWO chances to win the fucking game in the clutch. He excreted out infamy both times.