More Banjo: Pussies of Detroit, Game 2

[RashanGary]

Love threw that 60 yards in the air. Most big arm quarterbacks (Favre, Rodgers level) can throw about 65 yards in a game setting. Love wasn’t able set all the way up so he didn’t get the full 65, but he does have that level of arm imo. I don’t know if his arm is as big as Favre or Rodgers when he’s not all the way set, but he has the big time nfl arm.

That said, he launched it 60 yards off a less than ideal platform.

He shouldn’t have doubt hitched the throw. If he had thrown it off his first hitch, Watson would have gotten there.



All in all, that was a really good deep ball that gave his guy a great chance. No one hits that perfectly more than 20% of the time.

I play all the time with our little guy who loves catching the ball. The further down the field you go, the less likely it’s a perfect strike in the bucket.

[bobblehead]

Karl freaking Brooks has been such a pleasant surprise. Too bad Davonte Wyatt can’t do his part too.

I think Wyatt has been pretty good when on the field. He is another guy the coaches seem more down on than reasonable.

[texaspackerbacker]

On the QB School, JT O’Sullivan (former Favor backup) explains that Love had more than enough time to set his feet, although he woulda been pounded by a Pussy Yokozuna immediately after the throw - thanks to the incompetence blocking of Josh Myers.

I guess Love not taking an unnecessary hit in garbage time is a good thing. Still, I woulda loved to see Love make the “dagger” throw.

I’m with Bobble, Myers and Runyan need to be benched. Tom looks like a midget at tackle. And, as a wise man one wrote, in a predominantly Black and somewhat white realm, it’s alway soothing to witness a dash of yellow (and brown) in the rye. Runyan sucks. Lets see what the Asian guard is all about.

Uh, I think in today's NFL, most Guards are bigger than most O Tackles.

I still have a fairly high opinion of both Myers and Runyan going forward, but more than that, I don't see those "yokozumas"/O Line in general making all that much difference in the pass game with a mobile QB. That's how it was with Rodgers, and that's how it is now with Love. I always said, Rodgers was rushed horribly on about 95% of pass plays, and he had a pretty decent career. Ditto that on the pass rush on Love. In the run game, it still seems like most of the success is up the middle/inside zone - often over Myers and Runyan. I'd suggest the reason there hasn't been as much success is less reps for a healthy Aaron Jones.

[CaptainKickass]

I think in today's NFL, most Guards are bigger than most O Tackles.

This reminded me that the Packers have a GIANT tackle that:

- wouldn't last on the practice squad the last couple years without being signed elsewhere immediately (yes, that almost happened)
- is an inactive player every week
- occupies a roster spot on the 53
- 24 years old, six foot nine 370lbs (per packers.com)

If your running game is struggling, maybe activate & sub this fucking guy in at either guard or tackle for a few select snaps per game. Or hell, declare him eligible at TE for an extra-jumbo package in an obvious run situation. I mean if the pack is gonna go all "youth, rookie, unconventional, see what we have" why not?

[Fritz]

I think Wyatt has been pretty good when on the field. He is another guy the coaches seem more down on than reasonable.

I hope you are correct but I’m not seeing it. Wyatt has been pretty invisible, to me.

[run pMc]

Uh, I think in today's NFL, most Guards are bigger than most O Tackles.

You got it backwards. most guards might be heavier, but they aren't bigger in terms or height or arm length.
Even if you look at GB's roster, the OT's are on average both taller and heavier.

GB's guards on the roster are listed at 321, 311, 310 and 307 (Rhyan, Jenkins, Newman and Runyan Jr. respectively)
GB's tackles are listed at 370, 324, 314, and 304 (Jones, Walker, Njiman, Tom) Bakhtiari is 310.

I'll stop there, your OL expertise has been well debunked previously.

Aaron Jones was averaging over 5ypc across his entire career and never averaged less than 4.6 until this year, where he's averaging 3.7 ypc on 66 attempts. That's...not good. I agree injuries have impacted his efficiency, but I'd say the OL's poor run blocking has impacted it more. Dillon's ypc is down as well (averaged 4.1 last year, averaging 3.4 this year). If all your backs are struggling, you have to look at the run blocking. 2/5 of that is Runyan and Myers, who are not grading out well by analytics.

Some people prefer the big road grading types. They are fun to watch and great if you run a lot of power, but those guys are also often slower footed and can be liabilities in pass pro. GB has preferred lighter players who are agile enough to zone block or do a certain amount of pin and pull. They also prioritize players who are good pass blockers, if they can't run block they try to coach them up (see: Walker, Rasheed). The theory being that pass pro is more important for keeping your franchise QB upright and getting explosive plays down the field.
If you don't like the type of OL that GB does, you'll be constantly frustrated by the blocking and scheme GB uses.

[bobblehead]

Uh, I think in today's NFL, most Guards are bigger than most O Tackles.

As usual when you start with "I think" you would be wrong. Anyone with time can look it up. Tackles average an inch and a half taller and 1 pound heavier. I would argue the weight is much more than that as teams don't usually change the listings from the combine, but most tackles add weight to their larger frame. Bak is still listed at 310, but plays at around 330 if I'm guessing.

[texaspackerbacker]

Congrats, bobblehead, you've sunk to the level of those whiny piss ant truth squaders. I guess I shoulda said about as heavy.

[RashanGary]

Congrats, bobblehead, you've sunk to the level of those whiny piss ant truth squaders. I guess I shoulda said about as heavy.

Despite the so called facts proving you wrong, I still see what you said as being correct in a practical sense. Tackles are 1.5” taller and have longer arms, but outside of a negligible pound, they’re the same weight as guards. Guards are shorter and just as heavy. Functionally, that’s a bigger guy. Stalkier, more stout, less athletic, stronger.

[Joemailman]

Aaron Nagler
@AaronNagler
NFL announces that the game between the Packers and Lions averaged 33.7 million viewers, the most-watched early Thanksgiving Day game on record. That's a lot of people who will remember never seeing Jordan Love with a turkey leg.

Never forget the turducken snub.

[bobblehead]

Congrats, bobblehead, you've sunk to the level of those whiny piss ant truth squaders. I guess I shoulda said about as heavy.

yea, me and that clown Patler with our facts. Annoying when you are wrong all the time, but kinda neat if you want the truth. Next time instead of making me show you how wrong you are why don't you just check before blurting out whatever comes to your feeble old mind.

[bobblehead]

Despite the so called facts proving you wrong, I still see what you said as being correct in a practical sense. Tackles are 1.5” taller and have longer arms, but outside of a negligible pound, they’re the same weight as guards. Guards are shorter and just as heavy. Functionally, that’s a bigger guy. Stalkier, more stout, less athletic, stronger.

But that also simply isn't true. Again, guards usually weigh in around 315 in reality once they get a year or 2 in the league, while tackles, with longer frames generally tip in around 330 I'd bet. Since the NFL doesn't update these numbers its impossible to say exactly. But honestly, just look at any OL and the Tackles are clearly bigger men. They make better guards because they have a lower center and play with more leverage. Tackles have to be longer on the edge to engage a pass rusher. Generally if they aren't heavy enough a bull rush knocks them on their ass. Tackles are simply bigger, longer stronger and more athletic. Thats just a fact no matter how much you guys don't want it to be. Sometimes they have trouble playing G because DTs are short and play with immense leverage and will push the longer guys back into the QBs lap. Sometimes they can be great at both (Jenkins). Usually those guys end up tackles. I am very surprised Jenkins isn't manning the LT position, but I think after he wasn't fully recovered (or has issues on the right side) and played poorly at RT they decided to stop moving him.

[MadtownPacker]

Never forget the turducken snub.

Incredibly disappointing and you could tell he was excited about it.