Love - no worse than Rodgers in 2022

[texaspackerbacker]

There were a helluva lot of games where Rodgers would have completions with 6 or 8 or 10 receivers. Sure, he sometimes avoided rookies; Sure, he threw a lot to Adams, but a LOT of times, he'd have like 8 or 10 to Adams and 15 other completions to 6 or more other guys.

Love, of course, has to throw to rookies because there's not much else out there, and of course also, he doesn't have a Davante Adams (yet) among them - as somebody said in here, 4 or 5 #2 level WRs and arguably better TEs than what we had most of the Rodgers years too.

Spreading it around is the second best thing from Rodgers that I like about Love. The best thing is his tendency NOT to stupidly throw interceptions. One thing where he is different than Rodgers that I really like, and I don't know if this his own doing or LaFleur's, is those deep drops. It always annoyed me that Rodgers very seldom did that - preferring 3 step or whatever drops. Sure, the deep drops can rarely bite you in the ass, but IMO, it helps a lot more often than it hurts.

[RashanGary]

I looked back at some 2021 games. The bulk of the passes were to Adams, Jones or Dillon, but sure as shit, as crazy as Tex sounds most of the time, Rodgers did complete passes to 7 or 8 guys on most days. Usually 1 or 2, but yeah, he got everyone involved.

[RashanGary]

I looked at the 2021 whole season. And yep, Rodgers had as many guys involved as Love does. Well, holy shit, Tex’s wild ass gets em right sometimes too.

[RashanGary]

Random Stat, Richard Rodgers is the 200th all time leading tight end in receptions. There are 100 tight ends in the NFL right now. There have probably been over 3000 tight ends to play. Just an idea of how many players are in that pool. That puts him as a top 5% most productive tight end of all time

[RashanGary]

I have 900 tight ends drafted since 1953. Richard Rodgers is the 200th all time. So at minimum, he’s a top 20% all time most productive tight end in NFL history

[Joemailman]

I looked back at some 2021 games. The bulk of the passes were to Adams, Jones or Dillon, but sure as shit, as crazy as Tex sounds most of the time, Rodgers did complete passes to 7 or 8 guys on most days. Usually 1 or 2, but yeah, he got everyone involved.

Rodgers in 2021 targeted Adams on 28% of passes. And that doesn't count the number of times he wanted to go to Adams but had to check down to the backs because Adams was double covered. Love hasn't targeted a single receiver more than 17% of passes.

[bobblehead]

Funny, I'm just the opposite. Every week I see a throw or two that make me take notice. Throws that not every QB will even try, let alone complete. A couple of the TD throws to Reed, a couple to Watson, others in the middle of the field. A couple every week on the run after avoiding the rush, into tight, tight windows, etc.

I worry more about the "easy" ones he misses. Will that cause him to be too inconsistent? He has shown plenty of the unique abilities.

He has happy feet. They got bad during that run where the OL was a sieve. During the offseason he has to work on setting his feet to throw. It should be an easy fix and then the short stuff won't sail as much.

[bobblehead]

That's another thing I like that he soaked up from Rodgers - spreading it around.

You mean like when Adams was catching 60% of the passes when Love was around? I love it when guys shoot out a narrative that is 100% opposite of all evidence. Rodgers shunned rookies, Love embraces them (I'll admit he doesn't really have a choice there).

[bobblehead]

rodgers refused to throw the ball to rookies and is well known for it

rodgers would stare at adams when he was here and stay with him until he ran his entire route, THEN rodgers would start scrambling around looking for other people to get open (after they already ran their routes)

you can't just manufacture shit out of thin air like you do on a daily basis

Au contraire....he can and does.

[bobblehead]

I looked at the 2021 whole season. And yep, Rodgers had as many guys involved as Love does. Well, holy shit, Tex’s wild ass gets em right sometimes too.

Its not the same. Rodgers may have hit Toure with a TD once. He may have hit 8 different targets. But the bulk of his passes went to Adams. He wasn't looking over his reads the last 2 years. Red described it perfectly.

The idea that Rodgers was utilizing all his players and spreading it around just doesn't play.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers in 2021 targeted Adams on 28% of passes. And that doesn't count the number of times he wanted to go to Adams but had to check down to the backs because Adams was double covered. Love hasn't targeted a single receiver more than 17% of passes.

And even more to that point, Adams was the leading pass catcher in nearly all the games I would bet (here is where I could get patlerized cuz I'm too lazy to look).

[run pMc]

Won't say anything about Tex, it's been said already. One thing you can say is that he's got opinions.

RG's observations are interesting, but I think the % of targets is a more telling stat than how many receivers caught a pass. If you throw 14 out of 20 passes to one player, is that really spreading the ball around? Were injuries a reason 15 different people caught a pass over a season?

Rodgers would throw to Adams even when double covered AND other players (usually rookies or check-downs) were open. Go back thru this forum at bad losses where people are screaming about Lazard or Tonyan being wide open, or why he's rolling his eyes at rookies.
Love doesn't really have a choice, that much is true.

As for Love, I've been more on the side of Bretsky's thinking that the eye test seems like he's missing some essential element that makes him 'It' as an elite franchise QB. He needs to work on his fundamentals, especially his footwork. That will benefit his accuracy, which is another area he is a bit lacking.
I do think improvement with footwork could bring his accuracy up a tick or two, but I don't see him as a 68% career passer. He might reach 65-66% (hes currently 62.6%) He also needs to stop underthrowing deep passes -- if his accuracy improves there, watch out. I have started to see flashes where he makes a really impressive throw -- the first TD to Reed vs. DET, the jump ball TD to Watson vs. KC, the TD this past week to Reed -- and he's making a throw like that almost weekly. That's encouraging stuff.

He should get better with off season work and experience, and he's already a mid-tier starter. I'm still skeptical he'll ever be top 5, but I think he can crack the top 10... which isn't nothing. I think he's better than Daniel Jones, but so are lots of players.
I think they will extend him next year to a longer contract, so we better get used to cheering for him.

[red]

. Red described it perfectly.
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well you know. drunken broken clock and twice a day and all that good stuff

[texaspackerbacker]

Its not the same. Rodgers may have hit Toure with a TD once. He may have hit 8 different targets. But the bulk of his passes went to Adams. He wasn't looking over his reads the last 2 years. Red described it perfectly.

The idea that Rodgers was utilizing all his players and spreading it around just doesn't play.

bobblehead, as usual, you're late to the game. As I said and several others backed up, there were a lot of games even when Adams was getting all those passes thrown his way where Rodgers still had receptions by a half dozen or more others.

We should be so lucky as to have an Adams level guy develop from our excellent young group. If that happens - Wicks, Watson, whatever, probably Love would do the same as Rodgers.

[texaspackerbacker]

Won't say anything about Tex, it's been said already. One thing you can say is that he's got opinions.

RG's observations are interesting, but I think the % of targets is a more telling stat than how many receivers caught a pass. If you throw 14 out of 20 passes to one player, is that really spreading the ball around? Were injuries a reason 15 different people caught a pass over a season?

Rodgers would throw to Adams even when double covered AND other players (usually rookies or check-downs) were open. Go back thru this forum at bad losses where people are screaming about Lazard or Tonyan being wide open, or why he's rolling his eyes at rookies.
Love doesn't really have a choice, that much is true.

As for Love, I've been more on the side of Bretsky's thinking that the eye test seems like he's missing some essential element that makes him 'It' as an elite franchise QB. He needs to work on his fundamentals, especially his footwork. That will benefit his accuracy, which is another area he is a bit lacking.
I do think improvement with footwork could bring his accuracy up a tick or two, but I don't see him as a 68% career passer. He might reach 65-66% (hes currently 62.6%) He also needs to stop underthrowing deep passes -- if his accuracy improves there, watch out. I have started to see flashes where he makes a really impressive throw -- the first TD to Reed vs. DET, the jump ball TD to Watson vs. KC, the TD this past week to Reed -- and he's making a throw like that almost weekly. That's encouraging stuff.

He should get better with off season work and experience, and he's already a mid-tier starter. I'm still skeptical he'll ever be top 5, but I think he can crack the top 10... which isn't nothing. I think he's better than Daniel Jones, but so are lots of players.
I think they will extend him next year to a longer contract, so we better get used to cheering for him.

run pMc, I give you credit for being less of a dumbass than most of the "ya'all" community of fools. If Rodgers threw it into double coverage so often or other unwise throws, then how is it that his record of so few interceptions combined with a very decent completion percentage, etc. happened?

As for Love, I pretty much agree with what you said, and that's far more relevant than remembering or misremembering of the past. Most of all, though, I want Love to continue to avoid interceptions. That's what wins games. And hell yeah, we'll be cheering for Love for a long time.