What's your opinion of this head coach???

[HarveyWallbangers]

Billy B without Brady?

[Patler]

Billy B without Brady?

Yup! Five years in Cleveland, 2000 when Brady didn't play, 2008 when Brady missed the season injured and 4 years since Brady left. That's a whole lot of seasons, a whole lot of games and a whole lot of mediocrity.

There are rumors that one or more teams are interested in TRADING for Belichick. The coach they will get is the one who has coached those 11 mediocre seasons, not the 6xSB Champ, unless they can convince Brady to unretire again!

Just goes to show that the best way to be a great coach is to have a HoF quarterback.

[run pMc]

Feels like you're doing a little cherry picking on the years, but I agree with your point overall: if you're a competent coach and you have a HoF level QB, you should have longevity and be well regarded.

I'll go farther and say I think BB is a very good coach, especially defensively, and he has some smart approaches to use of players. I think he has some quirks that work against him, his being the de facto GM among them - he's got some real head scratcher picks.
In a vacuum, I wouldn't want a coach who averaged about 7 wins a season to be the new HC of my team.

Trading for Belichick would be crazy, and I could see the CAR owner doing it. That guy is not football smart.

[RashanGary]

Well having a crappy QB doesn’t help him. He’s good.

[Patler]

Feels like you're doing a little cherry picking on the years, but I agree with your point overall: if you're a competent coach and you have a HoF level QB, you should have longevity and be well regarded.

I'll go farther and say I think BB is a very good coach, especially defensively, and he has some smart approaches to use of players. I think he has some quirks that work against him, his being the de facto GM among them - he's got some real head scratcher picks.
In a vacuum, I wouldn't want a coach who averaged about 7 wins a season to be the new HC of my team.

Trading for Belichick would be crazy, and I could see the CAR owner doing it. That guy is not football smart.

Not cherry picking at all. I included every single year that he didn't have Brady as his starting QB. If I wanted to cherry pick, I could have included just the pre-Brady and post-Brady years, excluding 2008 when Brady was injured. BB would have looked even worse then.

In six years before Brady became his starter, he was a combined 41-55 at Cleveland and NE. That would get most coaches fired.

In the four seasons after Brady, so far he is 27-34. Most teams would move on after four years of that, too.

The Brady years were magical. The other 11 years, very ordinary.

[Patler]

Well having a crappy QB doesn’t help him. He’s good.

In Cleveland he had Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde for most of the games, with a few by Mark Rypien and Mike Tomczak. Record of 36-44 with one winning season.

In 2000 in NE, Drew Bledsoe was his starter. He finished 5-11.

Not sure I can blame 6 seasons at 41-55 on crappy QBs.

[bobblehead]

Yup! Five years in Cleveland, 2000 when Brady didn't play, 2008 when Brady missed the season injured and 4 years since Brady left. That's a whole lot of seasons, a whole lot of games and a whole lot of mediocrity.

There are rumors that one or more teams are interested in TRADING for Belichick. The coach they will get is the one who has coached those 11 mediocre seasons, not the 6xSB Champ, unless they can convince Brady to unretire again!

Just goes to show that the best way to be a great coach is to have a HoF quarterback.

I have made this point several times as I don't consider hoody the "GOAT". I can think of a lot of coaches I think are better. I don't ignore the Brady years, but I don't pretend its the whole story either. I attended a couple of his games while he was with Cleveland....tire fire comes to mind.

[Fritz]

I really can't imagine why anyone would hire Belichik at this point. Which means an organization like Carolina will probably go chasing him.

[Patler]

I have made this point several times as I don't consider hoody the "GOAT". I can think of a lot of coaches I think are better. I don't ignore the Brady years, but I don't pretend its the whole story either. I attended a couple of his games while he was with Cleveland....tire fire comes to mind.

Like you, I've never been a big fan. When NE hired him, my first thought was, "Really??" Then, the various scandals, questionable actions, etc. Have to give him credit for the Brady years, but.....

[KYPack]

Yeaqh, I think BB's legacy is Brady's legacy and it looks diminished for BB at this point. On Big Bill's next home, I see a lot of speculation for Carolina and a little for San Diego.

I'd think SD would have a lot of appeal for Belichick. Solid QB, good pieces on D that need organization, cool place to live, cooler to be retired in, etc.

You'd think Kraft will try to get as much as he can for BB.

What can he get?

Magic 8 ball says Unclear at this time.

[run pMc]

I'm sure someone will give BB a shot as HC (if he chooses to keep coaching), but I'd be leery of doing so. For one thing, his record without Brady has been iffy (as others have shown) and for another, the culture he installs is not for everyone. I think he'd want a big piece of the personnel decisions also, and that would be problematic. Personally, if I were an owner I'd go for a someone on the upswing like Ben Johnson (the DET OC). If BB wanted to just be a DC I'd be falling over myself to hire him - dude is a sharp defensive mind - but that's it.

This is just my opinion, but I don't think defensive-oriented coaches are good HC's in general. I think you do better with an Offensive guru type or a Special Teams coach. ST coaches have to be quick thinkers, good teachers, and able to communicate with everyone on the team. Offensive gurus bring in a system and usually have some innovation. Defense is pretty hit-and-miss and subject to luck, frankly, and unless you get lucky with a genius young OC you're basically the Bears.

[Fritz]

I just can't see how, this long after Brady in New England, anyone thinks Belichik is some genius. Brady in NE, Belichik is Hoody Genius. Brady not in New England, Belichik is Creepy Uncle Hoody.

[RashanGary]

He had some really good defenses in NE. It wasn’t all Brady. He’s not as good as they portrayed him the last 10 years, but he’s not as bad as his worst years indicate either.

[Joemailman]

Chuck Noll and Tom Landry didn't win any Super Bowls after their HOF QB was gone either.

[Patler]

He had some really good defenses in NE. It wasn’t all Brady. He’s not as good as they portrayed him the last 10 years, but he’s not as bad as his worst years indicate either.

I don't know.....

One year in Cleveland he was 11-5. Before and after that year he was 25-39.
One year in NE after Brady left he was 10-7. Before and after that season: 18-29, so far.
The year before Brady became the starter he was 5-11 in NE.
In 11 seasons without Brady, he has made the playoffs only twice, winning just one playoff game..

Tom Brady without BB had a lot of success.
BB without Brady in 11 seasons has done very little.