Versatility similar to the 49ers offense

[call_me_ishmael]

Do you watch the games? Kraft is a fucking athlete and a baller. He does look like an elite tight end. He’s playing like one. Watch the games.

I don't watch as much as I'd like to you but I just do not believe he is playing elite. He is showing up and certainly appears to play hard though. I like that he is tough.

[Joemailman]

Speaking of Aaron's buddies, is there any value left in Dalvin Cook? Surely he's not suddenly pasture material after a season on the Jersey pine.

I think the Vikings properly saw he was declining. That's how he ended up on the Jets. Packers don't sign Viking retreads. It's the other way around.

[Joemailman]

I don't watch as much as I'd like to you but I just do not believe he is playing elite. He is showing up and certainly appears to play hard though. I like that he is tough.

Too early to say he is elite. Rookie TE's rarely are. But he sure has taken advantage of his opportunities once given more playing time.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tucker Kraft is a tough dude but comps being Kelce and Kittle? Cmon bro. Kelce is an all-timer and Kittle is a right-nower. He will likely never come close to either of them and could still be a very good player.

hahahaha The anti-homer rears his ugly head again.

The Packer situation with those two TEs reminds me of the Patriots when they had whatshisname the guy that went to prison and the other one - both quality TEs for Brady to throw to.

[run pMc]

The comp that I've heard some of the old-timers use for Kraft is (on-field only) Mark Chmura.

I've read comps to Dallas Goedert, which I think are pretty reasonable.

Either way, I don't think he's George Kittle or Kelce. I think he could be a notch below them though, which would put him in prime-Goedert country.
I didn't see the play, but one guy was saying he put Danielle Hunter on his ass on one play when blocking. That's good stuff.

He's come a long way in his blocking this year, the pass catching and YAC was always there - he was a monster with that at SDSU. Small school guys take a while if they ever manage to figure out the pros. His head was swimming early in the season.


Malik Heath is a poor man's Lazard. That's it.
Bo Melton is a thrift store Jayden Reed. The speed is there, but the explosion, size and agility are so-so, not sure about his routes. He played at Rutgers which isn't a football factory and likely didn't help him, but he and Pacheco were their best players.

Randall Cobb is washed up and Lazard is limited in what he can do. I'd take the young guys because of the long term upside. Of course Aaron is going to want his dudes, he doesn't have time to wait for guys to develop and wants receivers who know how to run routes like he wants them to, even if they can't separate anymore.


Musgrave is an interesting one - he's come along and has some toughness if zero balance. He's going to fly down the seam and break some long gains; just watch. He's willing to block too, so he's no Jimmy Graham or Mike Gesicki. He's like a TE equivalent of Christian Watson, athletically speaking.

A lot of young players with plenty of upside still. Good reasons to be excited about the receivers. Now they need to work on the RBs...

[texaspackerbacker]

The point about TEs is that we have two of them who likely are top quality - similar to who now playing or past? too soon to tell. We haven't seen much of Sims, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's pretty good too.

I saw things from Heath in the preseason as a receiver that I don't recall seeing from Lazard ever. He may not be as good a blocker, though, but he seems decent there too.

[run pMc]

Heath isn't on Lazard's level blocking, but he's feisty, willing, and has had some good blocks this year. Some felt Lazard's blocking was a bit overrated. I'm not sure I'd go that far.
Either way, you need WRs that are willing to block, not take plays off.

Sims also has potential -- he's not a bad athlete for the position, and as a backup is fine. If nothing else he can play ST. Packers brought him in as one of their 30 pre-draft visits, and his Baylor film wasn't bad. If he were coming out this year he'd be drafted, the TE class is Bowers and basically nobody else until Day 3.

Future is very bright for this team if majority of these guys develop.

[Bretsky]

I'd take Heath over Lazard w/o question. Better route runner, and better hands IMO. Lizard is about the worst 10MIL value around. He can thank Karen forever for that contract

[run pMc]

Yeah the Lazard contract was an overpay. I' m sure a lot of KC fans feel that way about MVS.
Both those guys are good WR3's, I'm not sure it's smart to pay them that kind of money.

DeAndre Hopkins and Christian Kirk contracts made things a mess for GMs and their cap gurus. WRs are getting paid a lot now.
I think it's going to push some teams to doing what GB was forced to do - draft a bunch of young guys and not have an obvious WR1 dominating the targets. if you're getting 35% of the targets, you're probably asking for 20M/year.

[RashanGary]

I’m buying a Tucker Kraft autographed rookie card. I think he might be the one. I’ll get it graded next season if it looks even more explosive early in the year.

[Bretsky]

I’m buying a Tucker Kraft autographed rookie card. I think he might be the one. I’ll get it graded next season if it looks even more explosive early in the year.

I would be a buyer of that as well as a Reed Card. What do those go for ?

Buying the Love Machine's Card yet ?

REAL STORY, when my wife and I were on a vacation in Floriday she knew I loved Brett Favre at the time (same first name). that was when he was in INT machine. I'd fight were her ignorant family all the time about how he''s the real deal.

She bought me Brett Favre rookie cards on the cheap in Florida after his bad year. Paid about $4 a piece for them

F'ckin Airline lost my luggage bad and I never got them back. No biggie at the time (although they were going for $20/card in WI. Thought nothing of it.

But years later, those 3 dam cards would be worth a lota ching

[Bretsky]

Yeah the Lazard contract was an overpay. I' m sure a lot of KC fans feel that way about MVS.
Both those guys are good WR3's, I'm not sure it's smart to pay them that kind of money.

DeAndre Hopkins and Christian Kirk contracts made things a mess for GMs and their cap gurus. WRs are getting paid a lot now.
I think it's going to push some teams to doing what GB was forced to do - draft a bunch of young guys and not have an obvious WR1 dominating the targets. if you're getting 35% of the targets, you're probably asking for 20M/year.

The LIzard is not a #3 WR talent wise IMO. I don't think he's a 3 on most teams unless their WR's just suck

If MVS catches the ball you could argue he is; at least he has the speed and ability to beat his guy on a somewhat consistent basis.

[RashanGary]

I would be a buyer of that as well as a Reed Card. What do those go for ?

Buying the Love Machine's Card yet ?

REAL STORY, when my wife and I were on a vacation in Floriday she knew I loved Brett Favre at the time (same first name). that was when he was in INT machine. I'd fight were her ignorant family all the time about how he''s the real deal.

She bought me Brett Favre rookie cards on the cheap in Florida after his bad year. Paid about $4 a piece for them

F'ckin Airline lost my luggage bad and I never got them back. No biggie at the time (although they were going for $20/card in WI. Thought nothing of it.

But years later, those 3 dam cards would be worth a lota ching

Oh shit, I better get on love!!

[RashanGary]

Kraft is a prototype Kelce/Kittle type of athlete who catches the ball and can breakdown in space well enough to move into the backfield as an HBack blocking type.

Had a feeling Kraft would morph into that role. They didn’t want to overload him as a rookie, but you could see the ability to breakdown and hit a moving target similar to a full back type.