Which Players Do You Think Are Obviously GONE next year?

[Patler]

After reading Skinbasket's very cogent analysis this season, I'm hoping they explore the trade market for Love and install Clifford as the new starter.

[George Cumby]

After reading Skinbasket's very cogent analysis this season, I'm hoping they explore the trade market for Love and install Clifford as the new starter.

LOL.

[run pMc]

After reading Skinbasket's very cogent analysis this season, I'm hoping they explore the trade market for Love and install Clifford as the new starter.

Yes, clearly it should be Clifford. His Passer rating, QBR, and ANY/A for the season are higher than Love. Dontayvion Wicks is a bit behind him in those categories, but he should be the backup and Love can be QB3.
Nevermind Clifford and Wicks have each thrown ONE pass, at least neither is a halfbreed or whatever nonsense is being spouted at the moment.

[RashanGary]

After reading Skinbasket's very cogent analysis this season, I'm hoping they explore the trade market for Love and install Clifford as the new starter.

You know you messed up when consistently considerate Patler gets sarcastic with you

Glad to have you posting a bit Patler, I know you’re not a spring chicken or at least that’s what I thought I remember you saying, that you’re older…. Anyway, I always kinda hope someone doesn’t pass on us and worry a bit when someone disappears. What I’m trying to say is…. (Under my breath) I worried about you. Ok, there, I said it.

[call_me_ishmael]

LOL, that is pretty funny!

[bobblehead]

The obvious gone are guys like DeGuera and Runyan. Neither is a guy who has developed. They need to be replaced obviously. Probably Wagner as well.

On D there are no "obvious" guys like that and a lot depends on how Gutes and the new D coordinator want to approach things. McDuffie's play probably makes Campbell expendable in a salary move. Savage probably should be finished here, but get the right system and he has value still. LVN needs snaps and Enagbare is solid as a 3rd guy, but Preston is a pro. Cutting Preston to save minimal $$ seems foolish to me. Especially when you can slide Gary or LVN inside on obvious passing downs.

I guess what I'm saying is that nothing would shock me at this point. We could end up with Bak, Jones and Preston all on next years roster if chips fall into place. Or, all 3 could be gone. MiLF loves Campbell so is he gone for sure? This is going to be a very interesting off season. Hell, with a weak TE draft I could even see them bringing back DeGuera.

[bobblehead]

One last point. After trading Douglas for a song, can we expect an offseason of "righting the cap"? I mean if they sent him packing, why not Bak, Jones, Preston, Campbell and trade Jaire. All those moves would be superior to trading Douglas when we did for what we got imo.

[run pMc]

One last point. After trading Douglas for a song, can we expect an offseason of "righting the cap"? I mean if they sent him packing, why not Bak, Jones, Preston, Campbell and trade Jaire. All those moves would be superior to trading Douglas when we did for what we got imo.

I'm assuming you're either being sarcastic or exaggerating.

Jaire is technically in the first year of his extension, and they already redid some of his money this year, pushing it into future years. The cap hit to trade him would be one of the highest in history, and the largest for a non-QB. He's sticking around.

Campbell feels like a goner to me after the twitter outburst and being out the last two games. I've heard he's back at practice so who knows. He's gotten older, slower, and he's not an All-Pro anymore. ILBs are the RBs of the defense -- they take a beating and most wear out around 30. They'll save around 3M by cutting him which isn't much but I think they will need that cap space. Plus I think they might look at a ILB in the mid/late rounds.

Preston Smith and Aaron Jones are prime candidates for contract re-do's. I.e., ask them to take pay cuts. I can't imagine there will be a market for either that will pay them more than half of what they would make next year. OTOH, Ron Wolf's maxim of better to cut one year early than one year too late is one they likely relearned painfully in 2022, so they are 50/50.

I have no idea on Bakhtiari, I think they really want him back if he's finally healthy. Otherwise, he's a goner. They might do it anyway because of the cap space gained by cutting him. Rasheed Walker is no franchise LT, but he might be able to hold it down while they draft/develop their next guy. I don't think Bakhtiari will take a pay cut. Maybe his agent talks some sense into him, but even with the pay cut, they kicked so much of his money forward IDK if they could get much cap relief there. My guess is he's let go, Asst. GM Rodgers signs him to play a year for the NYJ, and his knee flares up on that garbage turf at MetLife Field, and he retires after the season.

The cap doesn't truly right itself until 2025. Last offseason they were like $30M in the hole, this year they'll have about 10M in space, so they don't have to do as much manuvering, but will still do some. Once Rodgers (and Jones', and Bakhtiari's) come off the books, they'll have space.
Gary's contract will kick in, and Jordan Love will need a new deal, but they will be able to fit those then.

I agree a R3 and swap for Rasul feels like nothing, and with a chance at the playoffs they sure could use him. Even though it's a bad move short-term, I think long term it's a good move.
They have 5 picks in the top 90 including the Rasul trade pick. Not bad considering they got Rasul for nothing off a PS and then gave him a modest contract. I would argue that GB got a lot of value out of him while he was here. They can easily turn that pick into a player (possibly even a CB or S) who has 4 years under a cheap deal.

[SudsMcBucky]

Bakh is gone. He's not voluntarily taking a pay cut and there's no WAY you can take a change he might get through a season even playing 1/2 of the games with the contract as it's currently structured.

[Fritz]

Can he realistically be traded? I know the New York Aarons would love to have him.

[Joemailman]

Can he realistically be traded? I know the New York Aarons would love to have him.

I think so. As the contract stands now, there will be 19M of dead money if they cut him or trade him before June 1. 40M cap hit if they keep him.

[run pMc]

Agree.

The thing is, what do you get in trade for a guy who has played 13 games in 3 years and barely practiced during that time? What's the value?
Would he pass another team's physical? If GB is likely to release him, why trade anything for him?

Probably would have to put a lot of conditions on the trade, but if you get can anything for him (and you're cutting him anyway) I suppose you do it. The way Gute talks, he wants to keep him but that might be wishful thinking.

[Fritz]

Well, if Guter keeps talking about keeping him, and the New Aaron Jets think they could pick up a high-quality left tackle for a fourth or fifth round pick, and that massages Aaron’s needy ego, you might roll the dice.

[RashanGary]

Bakh is gone. And so is Yosh.

[RashanGary]

Yosh Nijman T GB UFA - GONE
Keisean Nixon CB GB UFA Market Value GONE
Darnell Savage S GB UFA - Signed cheap
Johnathan Ford FS GB UFA - GONE
David Long CB GB UFA - I don’t know who he is
A.J. Dillon RB GB UFA Market Value signed cheap
Eric Wilson OLB GB UFA - no clue
Josiah Deguara TE GB UFA - GONE!!!!
Tyler Davis TE GB UFA - GONE!!!
Jonathan Owens SS GB UFA - Double GONE
Zayne Anderson S GB RFA - Don’t know who he is
Robert Rochell CB GB RFA - He’ll be in camp
Jon Runyan G GB UFA - DOUBLE GONE
Caleb Jones T GB ERFA - IN CAMP
Daniel Whelan P GB ERFA - IN CAMP
Benny Sapp III S GB ERFA - WHO KNOWS
Patrick Taylor RB GB ERFA - IN CAMP
Bo Melton WR GB ERFA - He’s gonna be here
Christian Uphoff S GB UFA Don’t know who he is


Bakhtiari is gone and Jones is restructured.