Studs and Duds, Packers Epic Wildcard Beatdown of Jerrah's Bois:

[RashanGary]

Ky, this shows it better

https://twitter.com/PoolPartyGaming/status/1746668554391376137/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1746668554391376137&currentTweetUser=PoolPartyGaming

I suppose you can make a case that jaire and Valentine were playing their deep cover 3 zones by the way they’re keeping everything in front of them. That would leave only three defenders covering the hooks and flats. And Quays path is a little suspect if I’m trying to say it’s off man coverage. He seems to be playing zone more than he’s playing the running back.

But check out this clip and tell me what you’re seeing from the corners. What is their zone?

[MadtownPacker]

Nice of you to take the young muchacho loco under your wing KY. Very much like a Roman elder statesman would take an apprentice in. RashanGary can learn a lot from you. I just did, awesome post and now I understand what it was I was seeing. Thanks man.

[MadtownPacker]

Note - It’s one thing for us to talk shit to each other about each other. It is another thing to involve non-posters especially family in our battles. One of the few boundaries here. Being a flat out troll doesn’t help either.

[RashanGary]

https://x.com/PoolPartyGaming/status/1746668554391376137?s=20

KY, do check the above link out because it shows alignment and post snap action so much clearer than the TV copy. There is absolutely no way to see the play using that. The all 11 is better, but what I linked here is the clearest way to see what happened.



KY, in cover 3, correct me if I’m wrong, but the above image is how it would have been played with the safety rotation. The only difference is we had Campbell blitzing so savage would have been playing both hooks.

Nixon as nickle was a linebacker type. He was covering the curl/flat on the offenses left. Quay was the other linebacker covering the curl flat on the offenses right. Savage was crashing down to cover both hooks. That seems like the only reasonable way to define how 3 guys were covering the 5 shallow zones in a cover 3 look.


Once you blitzed Cambell, you’re leaving everyone else in a really tough spot to cover the shallow part of the field. I don’t know why you’d call zone here. You have a nickle. In man defense you have corners and a safety (savage) on receivers with quay on the back. It’s so much simpler to be in soft man and tell your linebacker types that they can break on inside routes because they have a safety over the top than to play an undermanned zone and leave all sorts of uncertainty on how to cover the curl flats.

Whether it’s man or zone you’re short handed and have to play soft or it’s really easy to get killed. I just don’t see any advantage to making this a zone coverage. I suppose there’s no way to know if the corners were playing deep 1/3s or man because no one threatened the outside 1/3s, but it looks a lot easier to execute soft man defense here.

Whichever way it was called, savage crashing helped the run defense be aggressive and was an element of surprise in the passing game. I was sure it was man, but trying to see it the way you’re describing, I guess there’s no way to know. I don’t know how you could know which one it was any more than I do??

[KYPack]

Ky, this shows it better

https://twitter.com/PoolPartyGaming/status/1746668554391376137/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1746668554391376137&currentTweetUser=PoolPartyGaming

I suppose you can make a case that jaire and Valentine were playing their deep cover 3 zones by the way they’re keeping everything in front of them. That would leave only three defenders covering the hooks and flats. And Quays path is a little suspect if I’m trying to say it’s off man coverage. He seems to be playing zone more than he’s playing the running back.

But check out this clip and tell me what you’re seeing from the corners. What is their zone?

Firstly, piss on those little bouncing dot depictions of the routes and the covers. Watch the tape, pal.

Quay isn't in a off man cover at all. He is in a zone cover that he never had to execute bc Savage made the great pick. What you don't know is was Quay's cover match or pattern. In pattern, you cover the area the receiver enters into (Like in a zone d in basketball) In a match cover, you pick up the man in iso and cover his ass in man to man fashion. Match coverage is also called "Lock" which is probably a better description of the assignment. You lock onto the receiver that comes into your area.

The corners are in a boundry cover in the zone. Jaire does a trail cover. I dunno if these guys are this sophisticated, but they baited our friend Dak to throw late middle and Darnell snapped up on it like a pastrami on rye.

[RashanGary]

It’s gps of where the players went. That’s their exact paths. It’s not someone animating or estimating. And regardless, if you’re going to use tape, use the all 11 because you can see the field.

[KYPack]

It’s gps of where the players went. That’s their exact paths. It’s not someone animating or estimating. And regardless, if you’re going to use tape, use the all 11 because you can see the field.

This is the all 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwRlZplt5s

The play we are discussing is at 8:29

This is a zone coverage. Zone blitz actually. They had Campbell follow Lambs motion (Z MO) and then peel off on a blitz. This caused Prescott to try and hit Lamb on the hot route. The Packers had Savage up in the zone cover and he picked him clean. A great bait job on the Cowboys by the Pack D.

[RashanGary]

This is the all 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwRlZplt5s

The play we are discussing is at 8:29

This is a zone coverage. Zone blitz actually. They had Campbell follow Lambs motion (Z MO) and then peel off on a blitz. This caused Prescott to try and hit Lamb on the hot route. The Packers had Savage up in the zone cover and he picked him clean. A great bait job on the Cowboys by the Pack D.

I tip my hat, sir. Maybe I’ll get there on day

[KYPack]

Absolutely you will. Keep watching tape and learning the tricks of the trade. Ain't no crime to get fooled when they disguise coverages on ya. On that play Zak got fooled, why shouldn't you?

Just remember, seeing two guys in ISO on a coverage doesn't mean it's man, but sometimes it does, ha.
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We're both just fans trying to figure out what our team is doing

[RashanGary]

Absolutely you will. Keep watching tape and learning the tricks of the trade. Ain't no crime to get fooled when they disguise coverages on ya. On that play Zak got fooled, why shouldn't you?

Just remember, seeing two guys in ISO on a coverage doesn't mean it's man, but sometimes it does, ha.
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We're both just fans trying to figure out what our team is doing

I see what I missed I think. It looked like Quay was playing the curl/flat zones and was doing a zone drop, kind of drifting toward the inside route coming his way. I think if he had his eyes square on the back it would have indicated man. The rest of the defense there was no way of knowing, but quay kind of gave away zone (at least on that half of the field)

And yeah, I see how those corners could have been playing the deep 1/3rd even though they didn’t drop. No one threatened them deep so they just kept a safe distance in case someone did start going deep.

I’m pretty sure that’s what happened and what I missed on, anyway.

[Fritz]

You’re really trying and learning. Gotta give you credit for that.

For me, it’s easier and more fun at this moment in my life to just blame Joe Barry. Hell , this morning I found out I had diarrhea, probably due to what I ate last night. But all I could think was “Ah, fuckin’ Joe Barely. This is his fault.”

It felt good. I might start blaming him retroactively for my sordid past.

[bobblehead]

And this has never been the position of the fire Joe Barry cult. Not once had anyone said the talent in the back end is lacking, especially in the middle parts of the season, due to injury and starting the year with guys who are not ready to play in the NFL. It’s always been that the team is extremely talented and Barry’s ineptitude is destroying our chances so he needs to be fired.

That’s why I point out that the players make a difference in the game. I point out the secondary struggles at the player level and why a coach can’t do much for a guy who can’t play well no matter what.

So when his secondary is particularly decimated he’s trying to cover that up. Maybe he has the line rushing the passer more aggressively to help the pass defense, but he’s giving up runs then. Maybe the offense sputters and the defense ends up on the field a lot because they gave up too many runs. Maybe you realize that’s not working so you go back to disciplined rushes but then bad quarterbacks chew you up. Maybe then you get your better secondary players back and everything works better. Maybe the offense starts clicking and now you’re steam rolling.

Maybe it’s the players. It’s not far fetched.

Thats simply not true. Most of us pointed out the problems and injuries in the secondary, but we all concluded that its on the COACHES to get players in positions to succeed. They need to take the extra time to make sure guys know their assignments. Barry failed in that miserably at times.

As I said somewhere he has been MUCH better in the playoffs since he has been with the team. That implies to me that he puts more time into his job when its "important". I want a hungry young buck, or a natural (Rex Ryan) so we play great D all the time.

[bobblehead]

This is the all 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwRlZplt5s

The play we are discussing is at 8:29

This is a zone coverage. Zone blitz actually. They had Campbell follow Lambs motion (Z MO) and then peel off on a blitz. This caused Prescott to try and hit Lamb on the hot route. The Packers had Savage up in the zone cover and he picked him clean. A great bait job on the Cowboys by the Pack D.

And that was very good coaching. No doubt we had scouted something similar and knew where Dak was going with the hot read. As such we schemed Savage into a POSITION TO SUCCEED.