More Banjo - Packers vs 49ers

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahahaha the usual suspects

[Sparkey]

The 49ers have great talent in a lot of areas. Much of it because Purdy has such a low cap number. It allows them to have such a wealth of talent.

With that said, I truly believe if Tom doesn't have to leave the game it is a different outcome.

[ThunderDan]

hahahahahaha the usual suspects

How so? King Friday pointed out a fact. Let's look at it in depth rather than your "the usual suspects."

Wins:
Giants x2 6-11
Jets 7-10
New England 4-13
Chargers 5-12
Rams 10-7
Carolina 2-15
Washington x2 4-13
Seattle 9-8
Phi (beat during the 6 game complete meltdown of the Eagles) 11-6
Det (a game they really didn't win) 12-5

Losses:
ARI
SF
PHI
BUF
Miami
GB

[ThunderDan]

So really the Cowboys only beat the Rams and Seattle. The DET game was handed to them, and they crushed PHI during their collapse in Dallas. Everyone else has a losing record. They got 7 of their wins against really bad teams. Giants, New England, Chargers, Carolina and Washington.

[Joemailman]

Going into 2024 the 3 best teams in the NFC are the 49ers, Packers and Lions. Then Cowboys and maybe Eagles, if they can recover from their second half collapse.

[ThunderDan]

The problem for the Packers is going to be that we are going to finally clear out our cap issues and then we are going to have to sign Love to a big deal.

SF still has a couple more years of Purdy on the cheap before they are going to have to pony up serious money if he keeps performing.

[run pMc]

Tex, I'd be curious. What positional groups does DAL have that you think are better than SF's?


Deebo + Aiyuk > CeeDee + Cooks. It's close bc CeeDee is so good I'd give the nod to SF. Cooks is cooked and Gallup is no better than Jennings.

Kittle >> Ferguson
McCaffrey >> Pollard

DAL OL overall is better, but Trent Williams is the best OT in football. Not a big edge.
SF's DL (including Edge rushers) are better. DAL has Micah and Demarcus, SF has Chase, Bosa, Hargraves, Armstead
SF's LBs are better. Fred Warner is better than anybody DAL has by far.

DAL CBs are better
DAL S are a wash, possibly worse

Dak is better than Purdy, but Dak's variance is much much higher than Purdy's. Dak could go off for 4TDs or throw 4 picks.

SF is top to bottom a better team.

[texaspackerbacker]

run pMc, I generally respect your posting, unlike those "usual suspects" hahahahaha.

To answer your question: Dak is infinitely better than Purdy (you were apparently thinking of last year's Dak); Pollard is only slightly below McCaffrey and I think Dowdle is better than whoever the Niner backup is; Ferguson is at least equal to Kittle plus the Cowboys have a couple other quality TEs; Lamb is enough better than anybody the Niners have to make Cowboy WRs better. Cooks hasn't been too bad, Gallup is certainly no worse than Jennings, and they have a guy named Tolbert who is damn good too; The Cowboy O Line is reputed to be damn good, so I'll give them that group even though I, of course, downplay the importance of O Line; I give D Line and Edge Rushers to Dallas. Parsons is way better than Bosa, Chase Young is not near the factor that Lawrence is, Odigizua and Hankins > than the Niner guys you mentioned; Yes, the Niner ILBs are better and the Cowboys Corners are way better and the Safetys are probably a wash.

Talent-wise the Cowboys are clearly better IMO.

Coaching-wise, I'm gonna call it a wash, as I'm not a McCarthy hater like some in here, and Shanahan may be a little overrated.

[Bretsky]

Mccaffrey "slightly" better than Pollard ? Who cares about Dowdle; I'm not sure who he's better or worse than.

Ferguson at least "equal " to Kittle ?

D Line of Dallas "better"

TEX, the calls coming from upstairs for you to be sent to the concussion protocol tent to test your senses

[RashanGary]

I watched quite a bit of the 49ers. This isn’t the physically dominant group from a few years ago. Bosa is overrated. He disappears. Deforest Buckner was their best player and he’s gone. Their OL used to be dominant and now they’re just above average thanks to their all pro LT. But average everywhere else.

This is a team with experience at skill positions and in the back end of the defense. They’re very smart, disciplined, steady. They can be bullied though.

They’re a really good team. They’re good enough to win a SB, but they’ll be declining with age.

The Lions will probably rough them up and beat their ass, but if they don’t, the Ravens surely will.

They have a chance to beat the Lions and probably would beat the chiefs. They have a chance, but I don’t like their chances.

[run pMc]

Yeah I gotta disagree with you tex.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd take Dak over Purdy because of the talent, but that pick Dak threw to Savage was terrible, and he has a habit of doing that. McCarthy got a very good season out of him, better than last year for sure, but he still has those choker moments.

Rashan, I agree SF ain't what they used to be, but they still have a lot of good players on their team - their backups would start other places. Randy Gregory for example. They have a starting QB on about as cheap a salary as you could possibly find, so they have a few years where they can spend elsewhere. I do think they have a number of players who will be getting long in the tooth and more expensive/injury prone (ex. Deebo, CMC) but they are still the best team in the NFC

I'll part by providing a few scores:
42 SF, 10 DAL (Oct 8)
48 GB, 32 DAL (Jan 14)
24 SF, 21 GB (Jan 20).

If DAL is the more talented team, why are they giving up 40 burgers to other teams.

[texaspackerbacker]

Purdy, of course, threw one just as straight to Savage as the one Dak threw, the bad play/bad luck/whatever arguably being the difference in the Niner game. Dak didn't do that very much at all throughout the season. Purdy gets paid just about what he is worth IMO.

I stand by it, Cowboys > Niners.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm really sick of the Kelce's, but low key it is sweet as hell that Jason held up a little girl and her sign to make sure Taylor saw it.