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[ThunderDan]

Right. It doesn’t matter why the media writes garbage. They write garbage. You could say a drug dealer deals drugs because people want to buy drugs and put the blame on the buyer. It’s the same thing. Just because people click it doesn’t mean doing it is honorable.

Sometimes you sure are thick.

If no one was buying drugs there wouldn't be drug dealers. I am not placing blame anywhere. It is simply a fact. No demand for a product, no one provides a product.

There are a lot of reputable sources of good information. Not all sources are garbage. Just because you click on garbage sources and stories doesn't mean most or all media is garbage.

[texaspackerbacker]

The huge majority of those claiming to be "journalists" actually are the other thing you mentioned, run pMc. RG equating them to drug dealers may be slightly extreme, but only by degree. People are starved for facts, especially in the realm of sports, and those bastards are pushing a large percentage of fake news. Granted, the strictly Packer media people may not be as bad as some others, but they certainly aren't guiltless.

[Fritz]

What nobody has mentioned yet is that this is all an interdependent system. Journalists need clicks - it’s the business model - and so they play to the lowest common denominator, because that gets the most clicks. An article breaking down the nuances of the PFF system versus an article suggesting Aaron Rodgers is throwing Guter under the bus - which one gets more play? Guess.

But if journalists DON’T cover a team, the team suffers. The team needs the media. All you people calling the media names? Uh, geez, look how many announcers - part of the media - are FORMER PLAYERS. The Packers will not do well if the media doesn’t cover them.

It’s a closed interdependent system. It’s not just the good guys and the bad guys.

[texaspackerbacker]

HOW exactly does the TEAM need those media assholes? HOW are you claiming the team would suffer? I can see arguing that the fans need facts/real information, not fake news masquerading as facts, but even that is a big nothing for the team. The only thing really needed is the directly quoted words and finished actions of the coach and GM and maybe occasionally players. Beyond that, hell no.

And no, announcers are NOT media pukes, commentators maybe - which is why they are annoying and not to be trusted in many cases also.

[RashanGary]

A drug dealer wants to make money the same way a lowest denominator journalist wants clicks. Wanting money doesn’t excuse all behavior. Hurting people is hurting people.

[RashanGary]

It’s like there’s this attitude in our culture that whatever they do for money, oh well, they just want clicks. Nah, drag them creeps the same way they drag everyone else. They’re not immune to being called out for their shit anymore than anyone else is. The, I want clicks, shit doesn’t mean they get a free psss to be ass holes.

[Fritz]

HOW exactly does the TEAM need those media assholes? HOW are you claiming the team would suffer? I can see arguing that the fans need facts/real information, not fake news masquerading as facts, but even that is a big nothing for the team. The only thing really needed is the directly quoted words and finished actions of the coach and GM and maybe occasionally players. Beyond that, hell no.

And no, announcers are NOT media pukes, commentators maybe - which is why they are annoying and not to be trusted in many cases also.

Maybe it's so obvious you can't see the forest for the trees.

Media generates interest. Big-time sports is an entertainment industry; as such, they are competing with the many, many other forms of entertainment out there for you attention and dollars. So your company - in this case the NFL - needs publicity. And they get it - for free - from the media.

If you're going to make the argument that the NFL is "too big to fail," then you've got to account for the fact that once-holy forms of entertainment - say, the movie industry - are shrinking. Baseball is concerned about being left behind, too.

So yes, the NFL needs the media - and the media needs the NFL.

[RashanGary]

Journalism is just as public of a job as sports. The public pays for them too. They constantly cry when someone drags them through the mud when a big chunk of what they do is drag other people because “they’re public figures.” And people need to know. Well, fair is fair. They’re public jobs too, they should get drug too.

[ThunderDan]

A drug dealer wants to make money the same way a lowest denominator journalist wants clicks. Wanting money doesn’t excuse all behavior. Hurting people is hurting people.

Your logic makes no sense.

If no one wants drugs there are no drug dealers.

Here is an experiment for you. Go get a bunch of rotary phones and try to sell them on a street corner. Come back and tell me how many you sold to people that use them as their primary phone.

Drug dealers sell drugs because there is a demand for them. Drug dealers by selling drugs cause a lot of pain in peoples lives and you certainly can argue the morality of selling drugs.

[Fritz]

Thunder, you're a smart guy. So you know that demand is not simply organic, or based on logic. Demand can be manufactured, manipulated. Think about cigarette companies adding elements to cigarettes in the early 1950's that they new would help people become addicted.

https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/harmful-effects-tobacco/how-big-tobacco-made-cigarettes-more-addictive

I'm not being political here: this is just what many, many corporations do to increase sales: make wants become, or at least seem like, needs. There's been research done that shows that smartphones have a real impact on the human brain, making that brain crave the dopamine release from the constant "hit" of a new tiktok video, or a new sale on something, or whatever. It's an interconnected system. Free will, in my opinion, does play a part - I'm not completely disagreeing with you - I'm just saying we live in a world in which entities much larger than our individual selves do have real impact on the choices we are able to make.

And how about Guter getting fired up about this team? The whole organization seems - just my opinion - to be unleashed after years of seeming to be captive to Aaron Rodgers. There's an energy here we haven't seen in a few years.

[RashanGary]

Drug dealers sell drugs because there is a demand for them. Drug dealers by selling drugs cause a lot of pain in peoples lives and you certainly can argue the morality of selling drugs.

Drug dealers sell drugs because there is a demand is 100% equal to low denominator journalism selling clicks on creepy content because of demand. It’s the same reason both happen. Demand. The demand is a constant between the two. That’s not equating severity. Just the demand aspect.

Drug dealers cause harm in a way that law enforcement and the judicial system punish rather than excuse

My stance is that creepy journalism causes harm to other people in a way that the public and anyone with a large platform has every right to drag them through the mud rather than excuse them and let them have free reign on public opinion.

Same supply and demand. Different levels of harm so different levels of consequences. But just excusing it because they want money is kind of silly. Let these coaches, players and GMs call them out so we all know what dirt bags they are.

[Frozen Tundra]

HOW exactly does the TEAM need those media assholes? HOW are you claiming the team would suffer? I can see arguing that the fans need facts/real information, not fake news masquerading as facts, but even that is a big nothing for the team. The only thing really needed is the directly quoted words and finished actions of the coach and GM and maybe occasionally players. Beyond that, hell no.

You should tell the NFL that. They'll be grateful to learn that they no longer need to piss away hundreds of millions of dollars a year on publicity and media representation.

https://www.campaignlive.com/article/nfl-kicks-off-global-review-consolidate-its-400-million-media-account/1807853

[RashanGary]

It’s like awe shucks, reporter A lied and caused all sorts of problems for Player B. He’s just trying to get clicks. It’s really your fault for reading it. Don’t ever correct the lie or call him out because he just wanted money and there should be no consequences to his behavior if the reason he did it was wanting more money. The problem is you clicking on it, not him using a huge platform to spread lies.

[run pMc]

It’s like awe shucks, reporter A lied and caused all sorts of problems for Player B. He’s just trying to get clicks. It’s really your fault for reading it. Don’t ever correct the lie or call him out because he just wanted money and there should be no consequences to his behavior if the reason he did it was wanting more money. The problem is you clicking on it, not him using a huge platform to spread lies.

Responsible media institutions such as most newspapers like the NYT or JSO actually have a corrections section. Websites will indicate if they made a correction to the original story at the bottom. If you're consuming your news from questionable media sources, fan blogs, and rumor mills like X you are going to a back alley vs. a pharmacy.

And players do plenty to mislead reporters. Witness the Jaire "thanks for supporting me" tweets. It's the highest paid CB in the NFL posting something, it's going to get coverage.

I'll say it again, the majority of the factual news you consume is from media, directly or indirectly. Think about how you would learn anything about GB without radio, newpaper, or internet coverage for a moment. If you hate it and think it's harmful, don't consume it and just wander in the dark until the games are televised.

[texaspackerbacker]

It’s like awe shucks, reporter A lied and caused all sorts of problems for Player B. He’s just trying to get clicks. It’s really your fault for reading it. Don’t ever correct the lie or call him out because he just wanted money and there should be no consequences to his behavior if the reason he did it was wanting more money. The problem is you clicking on it, not him using a huge platform to spread lies.

Yeah, and I think a lot of times, it's intentional just to stir up trouble.

That "correction section" is generally a lot less visible and obvious as the original bullshit.

And those two examples run pMc gave hardly deserve to be called "responsible". They are just members of the fake news media.